Ky. mother had just stepped away when 5-year-old shot sister with gun he got as gift

we should not make laws more restrictive based on the idiocy of some people...

sure, if the idiots made up more than 50% of the population...

and considering who is in office

maybe that is the case

 

I'm just pointing out the stupidity of the notion that all guns must be treated as if they were loaded.

That's just not true.

The gun should be treated as loaded until you know that it isn't.

 

You SERIOUSLY need to stop while you're ahead, because you are being ridiculous.

 

Right. In 40 years of gun handling, I have never had a neglegent discharge.
Even at shows and shops I keep my left palm against the muzzle after checking if loaded after the shop employee checked for loaded unless Iam getting a sight picture and that is usually towards the ground.
And finger off the trigger untill I want to make sure its decocked or hammer needs to go to rest.

 

I have NEVER assumed that any weapon is unloaded at anytime, EVER.
Never assume anything about a weapon.

 

Correct. The first step in maintenance or handling a firearm is treat all weapons as loaded until the individual clears the firearm. Each handler must clear the firearm.

Most safety practices state even after the weapon is cleared to continue to handle the firearm in a safe manner or as if it is loaded.

The Adult who handed this child the firearm needs to be in jail.

 

I think he is working really hard for a 'gotcha' moment.

 

Except that many, if not most of the gun enthusiasts here and that I know advocate guns to protect themselves from home intruders, muggers, rapists etc. which means the gun are LOADED and at hand at home and when out and about.

Its a rare human being who is disciplined enough to NEVER give an opening for a child to possibly get his hands on one. Its even rarer to be a person who could NEVER give an opening to a child get its hands on that gun IF the child set its mind to it! Whether the child's purpose is curiosity, anger, suicide, being cool, feeling powerful, or simply the thrill of a challenge, I would submit NO adult who keeps a gun at hand in their home is not vulnerable to an accidental shooting.

Is it worth it to have a loaded gun by your bed or carried, concealed or not? Not just careless parents, some VERY careful parents who have had a moment's inattention or distraction over the years have paid a heavy price, and arguably a price that was higher than the probable "benefit".

Its worth thinking about.

 

"Stupid with kids and guns" aligns perfectly with crusading progressives' OMG! gun-control narratives...

"Stupid with kids and automobiles" doesn't....

 

I've already figured out that your are just a blowhard who does not think before you speak.

 

Don't worry, he will.

 

I'm way ahead of the people who make silly statements without understanding what they are saying.

Saying we can never assume a gun is not loaded is a dumb thing to say.

 

Yep, worth thinking about. Thats why diciplined gun owners do not allow access to firearms to young children or the inexperienced no matter of age.
When there are young people in my home my guns are LOCKED IN A SAFE. Not out.
When we are alone in the home my only gun out is loaded and next to my bed at night.
Then back in the safe in the AM or goes with me in my truck.
In the truck its under the seat, zippered in a case that does not look like a gun case.
Very very rarely does a child ride in my truck with me AND my gun and we have some pretty well behaved kids so I am not worried about them digging around my seat while driving down the road.
We do EVERYTHING, possible to keep the young and inexperienced away from the guns. And its just due diligence and becomes routine standard procedure.
I really dont want to bury a child, nor do I wish to go to jail. And I really really dont want to be "that guy" that let something stupid happen.
So gun handling in my home, in my vehicle, on my person, at shows and shops is treated like life and death.
Because it is.

 

Sounds like Mac has a lot in common with the parent of these children. Scary.

 

Never ASSUME its not loaded.
Ever. Unless its laying there in a pile of pieces getting detailed stripped to clean or worked on.

 

Ya seriously... kind of like all those tyrannical drunk driving laws.

 

I don't know.

I learned gun safety at the same age or maybe a little older than the child in this story.

Maybe I'm more careful than the mom.

Maybe I have more respect for guns than she did.

Or maybe not.

Anyone is capable of human error.

Virtually every gun accident or automobile accident is the result of human error.

Accidents happen in spite of what the libs here would have us believe.

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I never assume.

I check the magazine and the chamber and then I KNOW its not loaded.

Didn't they teach you that in lib gun grabber school?

 

Only one way for a gun to fire. Someone has to pull the trigger. Its never an accident.
Drop it and if fires, thats neglegence.
And I know you didnt call me a liberal gun grabber???????

 

Mac, I think it is a question of terminology. Most safety classes and manuals state "Handle every firearm as if loaded" until cleared by the individual so with this statement one never assumes.

Individual visual/mechanical inspection (Clearing) must take place ruling out any assumption. This is a must weather with family, friends or strangers.

 

Ky. mother had just stepped away when 5-year-old shot sister with gun he got as gift

Ah, but according to the NRA, IF HIS SISTER HAD BEEN ARMED this would not have happened.

 

Have you never heard of an accidental discharge?

It's not a good idea to "dry fire" a gun because it is bad for the firing pin and spring but if you believe there is not a round in the chamber but there is that is an accidental discharge.

It's a dumb mistake, but falls under the heading of human error.

And humans do err.

 

the mother alone is responsible for this incident and should be placed under arrest for negligence and whatever else she can be charged with for the death of her daughter. no kid under the age of 18 should EVER have access to a gun without being supervised by an adult who is educated in the matter of fire arms.

 

I can't think of a time I have completely agreed with Crue Cab, but this post pretty much sums up this thread and firearm ownership as a whole. Well done sir.

 

What is the legal age in Kentucky for holding a firearm?