I work for a living and don't have time to watch hair lip fling turds all day....so I'm checking in hoping one of you can bring me up to speed on anything Gowdy has offered that's new. Anyone?
Lefties STILL trying to defend the indefensible. Man, you guys are freaking DIEHARDS! - - - Updated - - - Go back to sleep, stop looking for spoon feeding. Go look it up if you are so interested.
are you going to reply to my post #132 or just concede my points by not contesting them with something serious? notice how nothing has come of any of the fake scandals except for the lowest gop approval ratings in history
Well, you can't get anything if the evidence has been destroyed. DUH!!!!!!!!! You like criminals? Are you one?
alleged evidence and if anything criminal happened there would be something more substantial than email to support the charge i can't think of any that i like google dujac
Considering that the "seated" members of Congress are also refusing to perform their primary duties--legislation, and are drawing six figure salaries while showing up for less than half the business days, they look like they should be the subject of oversight, not the overseers! The fact that the GOP members of Congress who are running these witch hunts are attacking strictly on partisan lines, and refusing to allow non-GOP members of the committee to participate, the answer is pretty clear what it is. BTW, zealotry and competence are mutually exclusive.
I wasn't aware of the fact that legislation should be measured by the bushel. For example, the legislature pushed through a huge load of bills between 2008 and 2010, most of that legislation was terribly flawed, if not down right destructive. From 2010 through 2014, the legislature pushed through a very few bills of much higher quality. The economy improved as much as it ever will with Barack Obama as President and businesses stopped turtling under the assault of hideous and poorly thought out bills. I much prefer gridlock to single party rule and so does the vast majority of job creators in the country.
I really didn't see anything in post 132 that was worthy of any comment, rebuttal, or intelligent discourse. The President admitted that there was targeting of conservative groups by the IRS, he apologized for it, and then claimed he would not rest until he got to the bottom of it and then went on a golf vacation to get some well needed rest. There is no debate, aside from you simply denying the obvious, about whether the IRS targeted conservative groups. That point has already been conceded and stipulated that it did occur by every major player, both Democrat and Republican. You, by the way, are not debating. You are simply denying and contradicting. Of course, that is your right to do that, just as it is my right to never take you seriously. As for arresting someone, do you visit this planet often? This is a political matter and not a mere criminal matter. Normally, with criminal wrongdoing, the case would be referred to the justice department and the attorney general would begin criminal proceeding. The case of the IRS was referred to Attorney General Holder a couple of months ago, and he will probably get back to Congress sometime in late 2016. In the cases of Obama and Nixon, with the attorney general being implicated in criminal wrongdoing, an arrest will take a much more circuitous path. Simply, the American system of justice will eventually deal with corrupt Presidents, such as Obama, it just takes a bit longer.
nothing illegal except for the huge one going on right now what a joke, i can guarantee you that obama won't be arrested, not in 2016, not ever
Not by the bushel, of course. But it is measured. And under GOP rule it continues to come up short. Please go ahead and prove that. While you're at it, please tell me, and all of the American people when the GOP is going to get off its lazy backside and come up with a budget. I can come up with a long list of things that the GOP Congress could be doing, but refuses to do. But let's start with the basics, shall we? One more example of how the GOP's refusal to work to spite the duly elected President has harmed this nation. If not for President Obama, we would be in the midst of Great Depression II. And you're proud of that? Considering that the gridlock is an illegal way to force single party rule on this nation, I doubt your sincerity. Give me one good reason why the mutinous GOP members of Congress shouldn't be tried for treason.
That wasn't the issue. We are still in the discovery stage. No one is being tried. No one's due process is being trampled on. Congress is trying to find out if someone did break the law and they are going about it in the same manner congress normally goes about it. They are issuing subpoenas for people and documents. They are questioning individuals on their knowledge of the situation. Gowdy mentioned the exact laws that may apply based on the current facts we know. (The admitted targeting.) The IRS commissioner (an apparent attorney) stated he was not familiar, (at all) with the relevant applicable laws, yet was simultaneously positive that the law had not been broken. That is an inherently irrational position. Irrelevant, this pure stawman. The IRS comish did not state that the IRS counsel feels no law was broken, he stated he knew no law was broken. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_prosecutor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest Congress' oversight ability exists for this exact reason. (and always has.) Don't care. Has nothing to do with the argument I presented. First, Mr. Juris Doctorate did not know the definition of "Spoliation of Evidence." Not sure we are dealing with a great legal mind here. Secondly, I don't buy the argument that the logic of an argument differs based on the relevance of the audience. Finally, I never stated that the IRS comish should be prosecuted or fear prosecution. I stated that his position was pure nonsense, which it is.
Obummer needs to thank his lucky stars that he was born half black........otherwise he would have been indicted/impeached by now......
Again, I must remind you that Congress is not an actual court of law. What you're describing is part of the judicial process. That's all right and good when practiced by actual jurists. Congress does not enjoy that privilege, not even for pretend. That's debatable. IMO it's important to recognize that there are members of Congress who are acting in good faith, and others who are not. No, that's not true. The bad actors such as Mr. Issa are acting in violation of the rules of Congress, and most likely a few criminal statutes. That is not normal! "Apparent" or not, as I noted before, Mr. Koskinen has enough legal training to not make the mistake of acting as his own attorney. The office of IRS Commissioner is an executive one, not a legal profession. As such, the person holding that position is not required to remember and recite long lists of statutes for no apparent reason. If Mr. Gowdy knew the applicable laws, why did he have to ask Mr. Koskinen, as you said in post #140? If you want to talk about the irrational, how about that? I agree, that is a straw man argument. Pointless semantics are neither here nor there. It's not "Simon says", or "my counsel says". Ah..1995 is a bit short of "always". Just because a Wikipedia article says that the GOP has abused its committees for partisan purposes is not evidence that they are entitled to do so. If you will look at the Constitution of the United States of America, you will find what powers it gives Congress, and what it does not. So you claim. But as I have previously noted, it's neither his job nor his responsibility to recite legal factoids to rude members of Congress. And I don't buy your latest straw man argument. I don't know whose words you're using, but they're not mine. My point has been all along that Congress is not a judiciary. That's not their job. Members of Congress can huff and puff, bang gavels...even dress in robes and powdered wigs. None of those theatrics makes them legitimate jurists. And by the very same token, those who sit in front of misbehaving Congressmen do not have to play their game.
