If Hillary wins the White House

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Hillary Clinton wins she will be totally controlled by the FBI, CIA, NSA and Homeland Security. Whether or not she is prosecuted for the confidential emails on her unsecured private server is entirely up to them and that they can hold over her head. Do what they want or they will "discover" those emails and have her prosecuted and impreached.

    This would not be the first time the FBI held incriminating information over politicians. That is what J Edgar Hoover of the FBI was most known for. It is not to consider prosecution. Obama ended that possibility. It is so they can have total power of her by having information they could use to have her impeached as a way to control her. Hillary Clinton is owned.
     
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    You cannot steal gifts. There was confusion between the White House and the National Park service as to which gifts were for the President and public property and which gifts were for the Clintons and their property. That is was the article says and that is why the whole they stole bs is just that bs.
     
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    And the dems are loudly proclaiming their public enemies.......
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    You know people who do not live here and obviously do not access our media should not make such uninformed statements of fact.

    Actually she demonstrated her clear incapability of holding an office of high public trust and national security.

    As opposed to the partisan circus the left put on yesterday, how laughable.

    Tell you what we'll worry about our own national security and you worry about yours.
     
  5. raytri

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    And see, it's petty crap like this that makes conservatives look like morons.

    They took *gifts* with them. After some debate over whether certain items were intended as gifts, they returned some. But there was no "stealing".

    Grow up.
     
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I said all along nothing would come of this as most in Congress use personal email, as did previous SOS's and many others in government
     
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    If Hillary wins the WH?

    If a frog had wings it wouldn't hit its ass everytime it hops.

    But it is okay with Hillary.....planning on ifs. Kind of like a frog. Just sayin!
     
  8. Hoosier8

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    According to the WH tailor that retired, democrats in the WH tend to be the most demanding and elitist towards staff and the least respectful of the history and antique furnishings.
     
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    Yes, considering there were 3 investigations, all saying he committed suicide.
     
  10. Carla_Danger

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    I think we should all practice saying President Hillary Clinton, along with First Ladies Man, Bill Clinton. Come on, just let it roll off your tongue. LOL!
     
  11. PatriotNews

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    And there is nothing wrong with her having a private email account. The problem is using it for official business, which members of congress aren't allowed to do either. They must keep separate congressional email accounts, separate from their private accounts, separate from their campaign accounts. If they don't, they could be in violation of campaign finance laws. Hillary did have classified emails on a private server in her home. I am not aware of any congressperson being accused of using private email accounts to transmit and store classified information. I am not aware of any former SOS being accused of doing so either. Anyone, no matter who, is subject to the laws, and if anyone private citizen, congressman, or SOS is accused of that, they should be prosecuted like any other citizen. I don't understand the democrats acceptance of the concept that Hillary Clinton is exempt from or above the law.

    You can say that nothing has become of this. That would be primarily partisan spin. They are not just focused on Hillary and her email crimes and maleficence, but on the events before, during and after the attacks, and they have found much more than all the previous investigations thus far. 600 requests for more security by Ambassador Stevens was denied in the year prior to the attack. Hillary knew for a fact, that the attack was an al Qaeda splinter faction and that it had nothing to do with a video. This committee has found this out and much more. There are still another 20 witnesses to be called and we will not know the full extent of the discovery of this committee until it completes it's investigation and releases it's findings. If you are so confident that there is no "there" there, then I imagine that the final report will exculpate Hillary and the administration. So democrats have nothing to fear from the committee if they are that confident of their lack of culpability.

    Hillary Clinton has much more to fear from the FBI than she does the republicans or the Benghazi committee.

    It's funny that the mainstream media was lied to by the administration about the video, the very same mainstream media that was duped by Obama and Clinton are it's most ardent defenders even now.
     
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    Refutations are the stuff upon which conspiracies thrive. They invariably expands the realm of paranoia.
     
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    Not for classified information. She had classified information on her unclassified computer - that alone is a violation of the law, and as she is the custodian (that's a formal and legal position of authority) of both the server and the classified information, she is responsible. Any other person would likely lose their job, certainly their clearance.

    The fact the information was not marked is irrelevant. She was cleared to receive that information - meaning she was briefed to know what was classified whether it was marked or not.

    And everyone at that level knows that satellite photos are highly classified - in the first batch of 40 randomly selected emails from her server was a satellite photo. It does not matter what is in the photo, in the right hands the photo itself is very revealing about the capabilities of the satellite and those capabilities are highly classified. She knew that photo was classified, her responsibility by law was to immediately secure the server and identify all people who had access to the server, and report the violation.

    And how did that photo get on her server? Someone with access to that photo had to log on to highly classified and secured computer, a computer in a secured room with limited access and no internet, copy that photo onto portable media (violation), take it out of the room (violation), put it on an unclassified computer (violation), remove the markings (violation, now moving into the realm of espionage), transmit the photo across unclassified lines to an unclassified computer (more violations). For doing that type of activity other people would lose their clearance forever, lose their job, their entire career is ended, they would go to prison.

    Any capable IT security person can identify who took that photo off the classified computer and out of that secure room, and has a good chance of tracking the path that photo took to Hilary's server. If heads don't roll, its pure political favoritism and dishonesty.
     
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    Where's your " proof" that they stole anything?

    While you're at it, will Bush ever return the billions he stole to enrich Halliburton in the imperialist Iraq war?
     
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    "If Hillary wins the White House "

    Republicans would then want her brought up on charges for breaking the glass ceiling
     
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    I agree. If you are referring to me, you are wholly mistaken. Unbeknownst to some rather parochial americans, Canadians actually get FOX, MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and a host of regional US channels. And then there is the net, where apparently you are also unaware that every major US news publication is available.



    I guess you were watching a different committee interrogation than I was.

    No, the dems on the committee clearly displayed partisan support for Hillary. But of course you thought that the rudness, the badgering, the idiotic amout of time trying to find some smoking gun on Blumenthal; the ludicrous insistence that somehow a personal friend had more access to SOS than an ambassador displaying a rather terrifying naivety of how chain of command actually works; the multiple "theories" put forward containing not a shred of evidence to support them, presented not as questions but as monologues; the pathetic attempts to discredit the ARB, were simply "trying to get to the truth".

    It escaped pretty much everyone on the right that the questions asked (with the exception of Blumenthal and the emails) had ALL been answered by the other 8 investigations, but it seems even none of the republican members had bothered to read them.


    Did you listen to what was going on, or did you have the sound turned down?




    Tell you what, why don't you stick to the content of my posts and stop continually whining about my nationality, which has no relevance. Political debate is not confined by borders in this day and age.
     
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    No, not proclaiming, acknowledging.
     
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    Oh, you wanted the committee to go all whitewater on her? What crimes? so far I am completely unaware of any criminal charges being laid, seems to some on the right, everyone in the current administration is a criminal.

    As to your other unsubstantiated accusations, they amount to not much more than pathetic attempts to smear the opponent. Come up with actual, hard evidence, and then explain why charges have never been laid. surely there's a republican prosecutor somewhere that would take it on.



    If that performance was a positive republican message, you have a real strange definition of positive. Fear seems to be central to the republican message as you admit.

    But then again, I can see how you think the republican message is positive. After all the leading candidate keeps extolling his "solutions" to all those heinous things the dems have done, is going to be great - 'nuff said! No doubt that is satisfying to a lot of the base.
     
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    You can't fix stupid, so posting verifiable links to stories of their thefts won't fix the fact that people deny they are thieves. No sense in trying.
     
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    Can you make an argument without the usual Rule 2 violations? The way I see it is that if I am not 100% sure that I own something, I don't take it. There are no exceptions to this that are ever moral or just. Do you just take things and then figure out if you actually had a right to them later on? Of course not. If you walked out of a store with an I-phone without paying for it, with the intention of figuring out whether you actually owned it at a later date, would any judge on the planet feel your explanation about possibly owning it was an exculpatory explanation? Of course not. So why isn't the very same actions the Clintons committed not larceny?

    And of course, the other explanation for the misappropriation of the public's possessions is just as damning to Hillary's presidential aspirations. Perhaps Hillary is just that stupid or arrogant that they believe they are entitled to everything including America's historical and cultural heritage.

    So take your pick, the Clintons are either insipid or larcenous, either way, they should never be allowed into the White House to steal another piece of our American heritage.
     
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    Actually I looked it up in another thread and Congress has exempted itself from any communication oversight or archive requirements. Each can pretty much do what they want with their emailing and they do not come under FOIA or archiving requirements. The only requirements are with those very few on the intelligence committees who have to deal with classified information all those emails and memos and communications are required to be handled on special servers in the Capital office building.

    But then they are not the executive branch which is run by employees and hired help except for the President and VP. All those people and deparments DO come under that scrutiny.

    So all this nonsensical repetition about Congress having their emails put under the same inquirey as Hillary or NAH-NAH-NAH Hillary is free!!!!!!!!!!!! is specious nonsense.
     
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    Well obviously from your uninformed descriptive of the American Left something gets filtered at the border.

    No the same, just a more accurate perspective.

    Tell you what, you elect corrupt politicians to your government, ones that act with such reckless disregard and incompetence with your highest national security and we'll elect whom we please down here.
     
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    Debunked a long time ago.

    Next time, find something intelligent to argue about. Really, it's worth it!!
     
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    "shadow state department"

    "total disobedience"

    LOL.

    Ok, time for you to cough up some evidence, here. Onus is on you after making such an, uh, adventurous claim.

    LOL.
     

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