If Cruz is the nominee Hillary is just about guaranteed to become POTUS

Hillary is guaranteed to become POTUS because:
1. Even if Trump doesn't go 3rd party, Trump voters will be completely alienated once their boy goes into the convention with a majority of delegates and loses. Many of them will waste their votes by writing in Trump.
2. Cruz has about the lowest level of support you can have among party leadership as well as rank and file Republicans. "He's still better than Hillary" isn't exactly an enthusiastic endorsement.
3. Cruz speaks like a televangelist which is a huge turnoff for most of the country. Contrary to some people, I don't think his actual stances on social issues are so out of the mainstream that he becomes unelectable. Unlike say Rick Santorum, it would be easy for him to simply say "I believe in the 10th Amendment like the founders intended" when it comes to gay marriage and abortion. However, the way Cruz speaks is a major issue. He comes across as a snake oil salesman out of the 19th century.
4. There will be tons of speculation as to whether or not Canadian Cruz is even eligible to become president and Democrats will possibly push a lawsuit over his eligibility.

The GOP should have rallied behind Trump after Super Duper Tuesday March 15 instead of going down this disastrous path of destroying their own voter's clear choice. If they supported him instead of alienating his base even further he'd probably be a much stronger candidate in the polls against Hillary. Since the NeverTrump movement began his general election numbers have gotten worse. The NeverTrump movement really is truly a NeverTrump movement, because it's clear that they'd support Hillary over him. There is no salvaging this election by electing somebody else. Those are essentially their only two options.

 

So you are saying no matter what Hillary wins? Because if Trump get the nod, many Republicans wont vote for him either.

 

Can't we just have an all-inclusive "The Republican Party will lose this election because..." thread? I mean, you can't go wrong in such an accurately titled thread... it's cleaner too.

 

More than likely. However, if the party reverses course and rallies behind him then his campaign could be salvaged. It's getting harder and harder to envision this happening.

 

The barking dog would NEVER be an option . And if she see's prison then what happens ?

 

Fortunately, Cruz isn't going to be the nominee.

It will be Trump.

If it's stolen, it will be Kasich.

Trump and Cruz can easily make a deal and prevent any possibility of the nomination from being stolen.

Depends whether Cruz is open to VP or Supreme Court.

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btw, either Trump or Kasich could beat Hillary.

She's an extremely weak candidate.


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Kasich would do well with independents, but despite the polls I don't think enough people in his own party would vote for him. Somebody is going to run third party and divide up the ticket if Kasich is the nominee. It would be a complete disaster for the party to go against 85%+ of their voters.

 

I agree that if the party had decided to get behind and support the front runner (Trump) like they've done in the past, the Republicans would have had a good shot at the Presidency this year. But the current, "anyone but Trump" movement implicitly acknowledges that they're throwing the election, because for whatever reason, they feel that Hillary is better than Trump as President. Self funding billionaires don't come along every day, so I suspect the Republicans are really throwing the Presidency away for the foreseeable future, but there seem to be plenty of Republicans who think losing with an acceptable candidate is better than winning with one they're not crazy about; an issue that doesn't seem to plague our Democratic friends.

 

The Democrats quietly have a NeverBernie movement in place. It's called Superdelegates. They're just not as loud about it.

 

They (establishment) want Hillary, because they know if Trump wins, they're history in the GOP party.

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Yep.

And, if Hillary goes down to the FBI, Biden will be immediately put in the race.

 

i can make a case for trump winning because he can count on a realignment along nationalist / globalist lines.

I dont see anything happening for cruz. All of his positions are extreme right

 

Yes, well said. I've had to scratch my head a few times, wondering why I favor Trump over all the others, because Trump does have numerous flaws in his approach. He's not a policy wonk by any stretch of the imagination, but he does speak to the heart of the issues; and that's what draws out his voters, from a wide swath of people. Trump is the first candidate in 32 years who resonates with the base of the Republican party, and with others as well, many of the so-called Reagan Democrats.

Trump spoke well when he said, "don't fight it, just embrace it". . But the Republican establishment took the opposite route instead; and in so doing, they drastically cut their chances of winning the White House in 2016. Nothing in my mind can envision any other Republican candidate winning in the general; only Trump, and even his odds are now dwindling fast.

 

Yeah right. She is fat little lying frog and it looks like she made sensitive communications available to foreign asian intelligence services because she thinks she is too special to follow the rules.

Nobody likes her. That is why there is no enthusiasm for her campaign.

 

The system is rigged against Bernie, but if by hook or by crook, he got the nomination, the party wouldn't try to destroy him and throw the election to the Republicans.

 

That doesn't mean she can't still win the Presidency. On Presidential years, it's hard to beat the Democratic ground game. The 50 million extra voters who come out on Presidential years compared to non Presidential years are particularly low information and prone to demagoguery. It would have been difficult even if the Republicans had decided to unite and run to win rather than commit suicide.

 

Please expand on the bold above. I'm seriously interested in your thoughts. What type of deal between Trump and Cruz do you envision that would guarantee either of them the nomination? What would have to happen in order for them to agree to some sort of deal?

 

That would depend on who the Republican nominee is. The establishment political class want one of their own as president. Party does not matter to them.

 

Trump loses women, millenials, Latinos, blacks all by 75% to 85%. Double digit percentages of REPUBLICANS won't support him as Nominee. He'd also have to win like 80% of the white vote....Reagan only won 68% of it in his 1984 landslide.

You're right about Cruz, of course.

But the obvious implication of both of those....isn't very pleasant for a Republican or rightwinger...

i.e. an assured Hillary win.

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Sundance imagines Cruz knuckling under to Trump and accepting Veep.....

instead of Cruz cutting a deal with Kasich and Rubio and keeping the Top Slot, and cutting Trump out.

 

Most polls have put the Republicans that have stated they would never vote for Trump at somewhere between 20-30%. Although I personally think that is very high. I think a lot of them who say that now will get caught up in the excitement of the race and want to put Hillary down. Still it does seem there is a hard core of 10% or a bit more Republicans who will followup on that threat if Trump is the nominee.

That is matched by Trump supporters who vow never to support the GOP nominee if it is someone else than Trump. So basically the Republicans are dang if they do and dang if they don't. Then too there have been several mega Republican donors who have told the RNC if Trump is their nominee, no money will be forth coming. That means those super pacs who normally back the Republicans will be cut in half.

Right now the GOP is in chaos, divided, fractured, perhaps beyond repair for this November. Trump has made enemies of many Cruz, Rubio and Bush supporters. Votes if he were to win in November he needs, but Trump doesn't seem to care if they vote or not.

How all of this disunity will affect the down the ballot ticket on the GOP side remains to be seen. But at the moment there are no coat tails for either Trump or Clinton. As my senator Johnny Isakson put it, if Trump is the Republican nominee, then it is every candidate for himself.

 

Like i said in reality there is only one party , thats the establishment party. Better Hillary who is the establishment than either Rep to them. Only we the people get screwed as usual

 

Trump vs. Clinton

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Cruz vs. Clinton

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html

Kasich vs. Clinton

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../general_election_kasich_vs_clinton-5162.html

Kasich is the only GOP candidate beating Clinton, Cruz comes a lot closer to Clinton than Trump.

 

The guy didnt even win the majority in his own state and thats the only state he won. Maybe the dems can get him to replace Hillary. Kasich would be the same old moderate theve been running for the last decade or so. LOSER

 

You are really underestimating old Kankles, Sundance. You are coming from the prospective of a total Clinton hater which will only make up about 35% of the electorate in November. If Cruz is anywhere on the GOP ticket, you lose. He is a sleazy bible thumping preacher who is very unlikable. He is also a former neoCON Bush supporter, and like Hillary, a tool for the Goldman Sachs crowd. Trump Kasich would be a lot stronger. As far as Cruz on the Supreme Court, forget about that. All of the Democrats and 75% of the Republicans in the Senate hate his guts. Where the hell is he going to get the 60 votes to be confirmed? If Hillary gets the nomination she will be really tought to beat. Look at the Vegas odds right now. The people who will actually put their money where their mouth is have her down as the odds on favorite to win. This pipe dream in right wing circles about her getting arrested for this email crap is a real long shot. If the GOP unites behind Trump and he gets a campaign manager who can keep him from making anymore stupid gaffs, he could win as the outsider against the Washington whore, but they better get it together real soon. Cheers

 

If Cruz and Hillary are the candidates, the next president will be Wall Street.

 

And if Trump is the Republican nominee we're guaranteed a liberal in the White House appointing liberals to all critical positions and nominating nothing but liberals whether Trump, Clinton, or Sanders wins the election.