In Israel/Palestine the Hatred just Grows and Grows

This has been a blood feud since day one. Good that Pals are working towards resolution but that does not change the fact that for decades there has been a blood feud going on.

 

This is such a blatant lie I don't even know where to start.

Hamas is NOT in control of Gaza. They can't receive goods from outside Gaza. They can't travel. They can't even fish their own waters. Not only that, but the Israeli blockade is an act of WAR that has been ongoing continuously for nearly a decade.

And, Israel rules West Bank with Israeli military law, allowing them to jail CHILDREN for months without bothering with legal process, allowing them to steal and destroy the homes of residents, allowing them to steal water rights, etc., etc.

Then YOU come along and suggest there has been PROGRESS???

Your sophistry knows no bounds as you desperately defend the criminal Israeli program of ethnic cleansing.

 

Nobody can deny that the situation will get no better as long as there is no justice for those living in West Bank.

The heroism of Abbas will surely go down in history as he continues to work to contain his people and insist on a diplomatic solution while his country shrinks beneath his feet.

 

Regardless of whether or not Israel is "right", the Muslims should accept and recognize the state of Israel. There are more than 50 Muslim majority countries in the World, why can't Jews have one ? After all, Muslims do recognize Jews as the People of the Book, they regard the Children of Israel as an important religious concept in Islam. Moses, the most important prophet of Judaism, is also considered a prophet and messenger in Islam... Muslims always had good relationship with the Jews for centuries before the foundation of State of Israel. Muslims and Jews have lived together peacefully throughout history (Jews have often lived in predominantly Islamic nations) and Jewish persecution under Muslim rule had been very rare.

 

Agreed. What has made things worse is that support for Israel by the US has been so myopic and indifferent towards the plight of the Pal's.

Picking sides in a blood feud only serves continue that feud and get more people dead.

 

Exactly.

We've backed Israel militarily and politically in several ways.

We helped organize the blockade against Gaza, using our weight to convince Egypt, for instance.

We've allowed Israel to ignore the responsibilities Israel agreed to when it signed the Bush "Road Map".

We've used our clout and veto in the UN to prevent Palestine from being recognized as a state even though there was a majority in favor. And, we worked to prevent Palestine from further recognition in the UN General Assembly and thus to block their access to the World Court and other such organizations oriented to resolving specific kinds of problems. (We failed in this one, as we have no General Assembly veto, but we sure tried.)

We pressure Europe and others to allow products created on stolen West Bank land to be sold without being identified and other such action.

For this, even the head of Mossad has pointed out that Israeli policy is a national security problem for the US. So, even they recognize that we risk our own security interests to allow Israeli crime to continue.

 

Palestine DOES recognize Israel!! Where have YOU been?

And, sorry, but Moses has NOTHING to do with modern national boundaries, nor do his statements confer on Israel the right to steal the homes of Palestinians and drive their owners away from their farms and jobs.

Surely you aren't suggesting that Palestine should accept ethnic cleansing at the hands of Israel.

 

18 of the 21 UN members in the Arab League: Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen; a further 11 members of Organisation of Islamic Cooperation: Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, Chad, Guinea, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Mali, Niger, and Pakistan do NOT recognize Israel.

The Muslims believe that the Holy Quran is pure word of Allah Almighty, revealed by Allah, and is valid until eternity. The Qur'an recognizes the Land of Israel as the heritage of the Jews and it explains that, before the Last Judgment, Jews will return to dwell there.

http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html

All I am suggesting is that "Muslims and Jews shall coexist peacefully" ..

 

I don't understand why you are worried about whether Iran, Indonesia, et al, recognize Israel.

The issue is Palestine and Israel. Palestine has stated very clearly that Israel is permanent and that the two nations will live side by side in peace.


Also, I'm a little confused about your inclusion of the Qur'an in this, as the Bible, Qur'an and other ancient texts have not been included in negotiations between Palestine and Israel, nor are they followed by the UN or the USA.

 

The UN and the USA are not a solution, but part of the problem ... Israel-Palestine Conflict resolution is not without risks for the US grand strategy in the ME.

 

I don't know of any "grand strategy" the US has in the ME. And, if the last couple decades are any indication, nobody in government has any idea of such a strategy, either.

I would say the UN is one option for resolution.

The US could have been one, but we decided to throw in with Israel and thus totally ignored any kind of equality in our proposals. The Bush "Road Map" was close to being an exception, but the US placed no pressure on Israel to execute against the commitments Israel made.

 

The Arab League attached recognition of Israel by its members to their 2002 initiative on resolution of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

At present, Netanyahu has stated repeatedly that there will be no Palestine.

Abbas has stated repeatedly that Israel is a permanent state with which Palestine will coexist in peace.

 

They are the same color. Their both Semitic

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Talk is cheap. Has Hamas changed its charter?

 

The Hamas charter is a dead document.

There are essentially 3 groups of Hamas and they are not going to get together to form a new charter.

And, that is GREAT!! What we need is for Hamas to accede to a unity government with Abbas - which they did. In fact, that involved an explicit statement that Palestinian statehood will be earned through nonviolent means only, and that Israel is a permanent state.

THAT is the "charter" we should want.

Unfortunately, Netanyahu has been adamantly opposed to that government and his efforts have quite possibly squelched this effort by Abbas to incorporate Gaza in his movement toward peaceful negotiation with Israel.

 

how come you don't condemn Egypt's blockade against Gaza?

 

We talk about two diffrent things, I talk of history and responsibility and you talk about outcome, a good solution should deal with this outcome but cannot ignore Palestinian reponsibility and the maps are not accurate they present a false start point , false middle point and false current point, that Palestinans lost land and houses everyone agree.

 

Good news is, Israel will demolish the "Palestinians" by 2018. Won't have to worry about those terrorists much longer. Thank you Israel.

 

The radicals in Palestine will never stop attacking Israel

 

My friend....

One can not be so naive. One must read more.



If you need help with my visuals, top left is a map of Palestine with no Israel on it, hanging on the wall of one of UN- run Gaza skruls. Top right is the same map, just before some international journalists are coming to the skrul.

Why do you expect UN to be impartial again?

 

US participation has been FAR more one sided in actual operation - certainly not limited to some map on some wall somewhere. We spent the whole time of our involvement protecting Israel at the UN, giving Israel massive arms, ignoring Israel's refusal to carry out the Bush "Road Map" agreement Israel signed, etc.

The UN could not even possibly figure out a way to be more one sided than has been the USA in pushing for a negotiation.

 

So... The US is favoring Israel, UN is favoring Palestinians.

Why do you expect UN to be impartial again?

 

The map doesn't tell you how much of the Arab owned land was land given to former Arab tenants by the Zionists to compensate for the loss of their livelihood when the foreign landlords sold the lands to Jews.

It also doesn't tell you how much of Arab owned land was land given to Arabs by the British.

It also doesn't tell you how much of Arab owned land was relatively recently purchased by Arabs from neighboring countries, like the Masri family in Tira, who came from Egypt three generations ago.

It also doesn't tell you that Jews were forbidden by the British to buy land after 1939, while there was no such restriction for Arabs.

The map tells you that Jews lost property in West Bank and Gaza in 1948, but strangely nobody gives a flying muck and all the settlements are still seen as theft of land.

Is anything he supplies accurate?

Simple, but often overlooked fact: Palestine stretched on both sides of the Jordan river, part of it was grabbed by the Hashemites from the Arabian Peninsula at the beginning of the 20's and in 1948.

Why do so many people believe that Palestine belonged to Arabs before the British Mandate? Is it because it enables them to keep hating Jews feeling righteous about it?

Metapedia? That neo-nazi hub? Srsly?

Is anything in the world not Jewish?

Just askin'...

Can you pretty please provide facts? When, where, names of land owners, you know, real stuff, something with meat to sink my teeth in.

I'll use (and abuse) that in the future. Any copyright issues?

Even Amnesty researcher admits Palestinian witnesses often lie.

Palestine does not recognize Israel as the Jewish state. In other words, the Palestinian leadership doesn't accept the existence of a Jewish state.

I doubt that the US current administration has a grand strategy - or any working strategy, for that matter - in the ME. Or anywhere else on the planet.

I agree that the UN and USA are part of the problem, not sure if we see the same problem though.

 

The owners/controllers of MSNBC are Jewish as is Mondoweiss. Jewish sources even admit the maps I presented were factually correct. Nothing anyone says, regardless of how they package it changes anything having to do with the actual maps WHICH DO NOT LIE like the debunking sites for this stuff that hasbara puts out all over the net.

 

Unreal... our Rabbis don't accept the existence of a Jewish state.

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