Your first Thoughts When You Realized Trump Won

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why would it? Does Trump's businesses currently look like the left is trying to portray Trump?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that is part of the problem, people need to stop thinking the other party is the "enemy"
     
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    The perhaps the other party needs to stop acting like it is the enemy.
     
  4. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My first thought was a renewed faith in the American people.

    Maybe there's hope after all.
     
  5. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wish that was possible, but we have two distinct visions of what America should be and there's really no common ground (or overlap) between them.
     
  6. Vandalshandle

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    Ok, let me explain this. First, it was the Supreme Court that found that insurance was subject to state law, not the Obama administration, and it happened over 60 years ago.

    Second. If you were insured under a group health insurance policy issued to your employer, that policy covers all employees, regardless of what state they live in, or move to. The group contract itself is subject to the laws of the state in which it was issued. For Boeing, for example, it was probably issued in Washington State, and subject to Washington law, no matter where the certificate holder lives.

    Third, if it is an individual health policy, it is subject to the state in which the policyholder lives. If he moves to another state in which that company is not licensed, he would have to buy another policy from an insurer licended in that state. Until ACA, this was rare, because individual health policies were almost extinct.

    Most health insurance is provided by group health contracts issued by HMO's to employers. An HMO is definitely going to cancel you if you move out of their service area, because the whole point of HMO's is to contract with health providers at a low rate. Obviously, if you move to a zip code that has no health providers under contract, they have no product to offer you. it would be equivalent to the Pennsylvania tollway allowing you to continue buying their tool pass, even though you now live in Arizona. It makes no sense whatsoever.

    The second most common health coverage is through an employer's self insured health group health plan. All major companies, like Disney, Microsoft, Ford, etc., etc., are self insured. This means that they are not subject to state law, at all, and can cover anyone anywhere in the world. Exxon has people covered under this who live is Saudi Arabia, for crying out loud.

    Selling health insurance across state lines would impact maybe 10% of people's health coverage, and would make no significant change in even those people's coverage. It would also require a new decision by the Supreme court. It would also eliminate the office of insurance commissioner, as each state's advocate for their residents. It would also probably do away with the 2% to 4% premium tax that states have been charging insurance companies since the dinosaurs were here, which is a very significant part of each state's revenue.

    in short, It ain't going to happen.
     
  7. Mircea

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    I was pleasantly surprised. I was dreading 4 years of Clinton crimes.
     
  8. dairyair

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    How many orange colored people will be upset?
     
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    :roll: Not "everyone" is employed, and therefore not everyone is covered by their employer. Hell, until the ACA there were employers who didn't give health care benefits. And what the SCOTUS decided, or didn't decide is irrelevant. The States are a PART of Federal Law, therefore Federal Law also applies to the States. I needn't point out the historic confrontation that illustrated this point.

    The only thing of relevance in your creed, is this: " If he moves to another state in which that company is not licensed, he would have to buy another policy from an insurer licensed in that state." You go onto say that individual care plans were 'almost nonexistent' despite the fact that the Administration railed against "bare bone plans", so which is it?

    And it's not the point of impacting the current plans. It's the point of improving the entire structure altogether. If markets can be opened across the States, the companies would have to compete with each other. The prices would dramatically drop as they have to reattain their base. A New Yorker no longer has to be subject to absurd sticker prices.

    As far as State revenue, that can be fixed with additional Federal Revenue. I know what I'm doing. This system sucks and there isn't a viable defense for it. There's never a defense for inefficient policies, "it ain't going to happen" doesn't cut it for people struggling.
     
  10. erayp

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    No matter how you try to excuse it, you're making fun of someone's skin color and that makes you racist.

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    When you knock it off racist
     
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    One thing I could think of is,
    "Buckle up your seatbelt folks, this is one hell of a ride!!"
     
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    After years of liberals treating the right like the enemy why should we trust you? The liberal media is still at it too.
     
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    The media is too powerful, the liberal media has been especially harmful. This is why Hillary thought she could win just by attacking Trump because it's worked for so many years in the Obama era. Obviously people have had enough of it but the liberal media still didn't get the memo. I double the left got the memo either, they'll be going further left.
     
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    I have to admit. The liberal media is out of control. That is why the nation's most watched news, Fox, has to be reined in....
     
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    you got it backwards, it was the right treating the left that way
     
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    there is much common ground, people though have choose to treat the other party as the enemy rather then trying to see that common ground
     
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    I agree, that goes for both sides, disagree with the policy, not hate the other party

    if one hates half of America they will never be happy


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    Jim Webb should have been your candidate.
     
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    Warren should of been our President
     
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    There are progressives carrying signs saying 'white people must die' and 'Rape Melania'. College campuses with school activities that exclude whites. Classes that promote white guilt and we have to apologize for being born white. I wonder how they would treat Michael Jackson if he were still alive - how dare he bleach his skin white. But Rachel Dolezal is applauded for being delusional and thinking she's black.
     
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    If the IRS gave the presidency to Obama, then it's ok for the FBI to give the presidency to The Donald.

    The Democrats opened this can of worms.
     
  22. FreshAir

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    yes and the kkk is conservative Christians, fact is, most on the right no more support them then we support those idiots carrying rape Melinia sign
     
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    Not voting is a protest, sorta why 75% of america doesn't do it.

    "It's a big club, you and I are not in the big club"
     
  24. Truth-Bringer

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    Total vote count hasn't been counted yet. Just saw a report on 538 that millions of ballots still haven't been counted. Also, didn't Bush win the popular vote and a majority in the 2004 election?

    The whole thing seems strange considering that they lost the House in 2010 and then the House and Senate in 2012. Not to mention the loss of so many state legislatures. Republicans also have a majority of governors. This advantage isn't nationwide. You guys are just concentrated in liberal states.

    Also, I saw a report that over 3 million illegals voted. Maybe more voted in 2008 and 2012? I don't know. But the historical pattern held in that the same party usually does not win after a 2 term presidency. Any Democrat that just thinks they're going to win nonstop now, is a fool. That has never happened in the political history of the U.S. Things happen - such as nominating the most corrupt and disliked candidate that you could have possibly nominated.
     
  25. FreshAir

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    most of those that did not vote did not think Trump woudl win, that is what happens when you don't vote, to them I say, Trump thanks you......

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    yes, it swings back and forth, I have lived long enough to know this is not the end of the world, next election could swing the other way
     

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