Who on the left or Anti Trumpets here will denounce Antifa or all violence?

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  1. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You didn't answer my question.

    Also, you don't know that one is not to answer a question with another question.
     
  2. Durandal

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    Eh, if you want to know why Jews were living in Germany, you might want to try, you know, researching the relevant history.

    Now, why should they have been somewhere else? What is it to you, Chinese Canadian, where Jews happened to be living? How ridiculous can you be about ethnicity and nationality?
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. History books tell me what happened, but they dont tell me why they happened. My main issue is with those on the Left (not saying that you must be one of them) who apparently say, or at the very least imply, that Jews had the right to be in Germany.
     
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  4. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am sorry that you think asking questions means one is being "ridiculous about ethnicity and nationality". It sounds like you don't like it when people question certain things.
     
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    Of course history will give you the why, or you can deduce the why from the information you are provided.

    And I don't see why anyone would not have a right as a citizen to live in Germany. The Jews in Germany had German citizenship. In fact, they were before Germany even existed as such, back when it was divided. Jews in Europe go back a very, very long time.
     
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    I don't like racism.
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Different people can arrive at very different conclusions from reading about the same piece of objective historical fact (or in other words, people can have different interpretations about historical events). This is why I think it's not good when you say one can "deduce" the why's.

    So....just to clarify, and correct me if I am wrong, you seem to say that the "right" to be in a country is determined by how long one has been squatting in said country?
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can dislike racism all you want, however that doesn't mean I am being "ridiculous" when I ask certain questions.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Twist and shout.

    Does you no good except to demonstrate to all and sundry a complete lack of moral center. Just like the Nazis.
     
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    Someone not sharing your version of morality has exactly the same right to free speech as you do.
    This is true no matter how much you hate it.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Impressive deduction.

    My fraternal grandfather was jewish.
     
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    No wonder you are incapable of rational thought on this issue.
    Bad news: In the US, Nazis have exactly the same rights as Jews.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a truly stupid post. Seems you truly have NO CLUE ABOUT HISTORY?

    My grandfather won the IRON CROSS in world war 1. He was ALWAYS a german patriot.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whats your excuse?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Er, if a 1/16th jew is incapable of rational thought on the issue of Nazis, then I guess a nazi sympathzier is also incapable of rational thought.on the issue of Nazis.

    Oh wait, I keep forgetting that fallcious logic and hypcritical double standards are the bread and butter of nazis and white supremacists.
     
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    Nothing posted here by me has its roots on emotion. Not a single thing.
    You'd know this if you were able to keep yourself from getting all riled up about Nazis.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I actually advocate for giving nazi and white supremacist scum exactly what they want. A white jew free homeland where they can "white away" their remaining years in abject moral, intellectual and financial poverty. Perhaps a reservation in the mojave or some equally uncomfortable place where they can luxuriate in their whiteness and get along with their fellows. Unfortunate accidents of birth, all.
     
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    When you find a Nazi sympathizer, let me know.
    My entire argument revolves around free speech and how it applies to everyone; pointing out that it applies to Nazis exactly as it does Jews in no way necessitates sympathies for the Nazis.

    Why do you refuse to admit that, in the US, Nazis have exactly the same rights as Jews?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I always get riled up about Nazis. That's because I know them for what they are.

    Are claiming to be a rational nazi?
     
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    Funny, how you, as a Jew, would put people you do not like into camps.
     
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    And so, you admit your argument rests on emotion rather than reason.
    Well done.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I dont refuse to admit that jews and nazis have the same rights in the US. Its a given.

    What i find laughable is that those rights are granted under a consitution that the nazis would toss out the window in a flash. they are protected by the very government system that they so abhor. they are granted rights they would remove from others if they were in power.

    Perhaps you aren't a nazi sympathizer but somehow when you so "logically" point out that because of my fraternal grandfather I can't be "rational" about nazis when I express my utter contempt for such scum, that rings quite hollow.
     
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    I am not a jew, but its sure is funny that you would think that. Follow the nuremberg laws, eh?

    I said reservation not camp. They'd have their own fascist white nation. I'm suggesting we give them exactly what they want, unlike the purpose of other "camps". You know treat them exactly like the US government treated the red man. Can you imagine the look on their faces? Pure comedy gold I tell's ya.
     
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    I think Antifa is utterly useless. A drain on the American System. I feel the same of the Trump.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I admit to having emotion. I HATE nazis and white supremacists to name a few. I have not trouble in admitting my bigotries unlike you for instance.

    Rational arguments and emotional arguments are not mutually exclusive by any means. In fact a rational argument can be delivered quite emotionally and vice versa.

    Seems everything in your world is a binary - white and them.
     

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