Our right to drop off our kids at a safe school outweighs your right to guns

Semi automatic & fully automatic weapons have been mass produced in innumerable countries since the late 1800s and are as readily available on the Black Market as any number of drugs that have been completely banned for decades.

As Prohibition taught us, banning an inanimate object, booze or semi-auto firearms, simply makes things worse; i.e. creates more violence and another black market from which violent criminals benefit.

 

.0015 percent of the population succumbing to something is a drastic problem?

 

Yes, it does: watch.

 

Oh I am watching and have been. Keep dreaming.

 

Could you please point me to the place in The Constitution where your right to drop your kids off safely at school are enumerated?

See the 2nd Amendment for my right to guns.

 

ANY leftist want to deal with the issue of drugs, legal and illegal, bad parenting, and a lack of morals being parts of the root cause of the problem OR are you fixated on inanimate objects?

 

who asked you to? I asked for a definition of mental illness and for some reason it triggered you. I find that very satiating. Could you trigger more please?

 

That's BS. Total BS. Countries with strict gun control laws do not have mass shootings, and not mass school shootings. You people need to stop defending your guns. It is sick. You have a sickness.

 

we are asking you to define crazy. Seems we already dont give guns to crazy people. Is there a different level of crazy you want to define for us?

 

OMG Human life is more valuable than your right to own a military style weapon. Get a ****ing brain.

 

How about you install security systems in schools.

The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to prevent tyranny.

 

While it doesn’t specifically mention it, I ask that you have a look at the 9th Amendment. It states that individuals have other fundamental rights, in addition to those stated in the Constitution.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendments/amendment-ix

And how is that going to be paid for? Would you be willing to have your taxes raised in order to fund that for every school in America (I would, by the way)?

Although that’s true, do you expect another Revolutionary War anytime soon?

 

I suggest you do not buy one.

 

It will happen mate. Your society will not stand for the mass murder of it's children indefinitely.
All other societies have responded to this problem. Yours will be no different.

 

The Constitution is examined in the framework of case law not right wing drivel.

The millennials are fed up with the gun nonsense.

 

No, it's not. It is to arm a federal and state military.

 

So how does MY right to own a military style weapon, whatever that is, effect human life? I am not a criminal. I have never been treated for mental illness. Taking rights away from the law abiding does nothing to ensure human life.

This is the difference between logical thought and hysterical response: I believe that kids should be safe at school but I also believe that there are much more effective ways to ensure their safety than taking enumerated rights away from the people. You apparently believe that kids should be safe at school as well, and are willing to give away enumerated rights first without trying methods that may achieve the same end without the loss of the enumerated rights.

So use your brain and stop being irrational.

 

Jake, good grief- the obvious escapes you. My right to guns does not endanger anybody.
A deranged person has no right to a gun, but can kill people in a number of way besides guns.
It is the deranged person who presents the danger. Now I'm not going to list the many ways such a person might have to kill others, but they are virtually unlimited and uncontrollable.

There are two approached that can alter this situation.
One, stop cultivating and enabling the kind of bad behavior that leads kids to grow up mentally disturbed and without a moral compass.
Two, take those that are in that condition now and find a way to control their abilities to do violence.

A> No guns mean deranged people kill you with knives, cars, molotov's, hammers, etc-etc.
B> No deranged people on the loose means nobody kills you.

Choice:
A> You are killed by something other than a gun, and I'm sure you think that would be some kind of improvement.
B> You don't get killed.

Taking guns from people who would not use them illegally does nothing but violate their rights.
The Israelis had the right idea long ago. They told our intelligence people that we were doing it wrong-
"You look for the bomb. We look for the bomber." It is the person who kills people- not the weapon they choose.

It's that simple.

 

The Supreme Court disagrees.

Let's be honest though, you don't seem to care about facts.

 

The millinnials? You mean the entitled generation of me, me, me. Enough will eventually mature and see the error of their ways.

 

Because if you have that right, in an equal society, everyone else has that right. And not everyone else can be expected to handle that responsibility as well as you have.

You are ****ed because bad people exist. We are ****ed because bad people exist,
The nature of the way we are ****ed can be A kids get murdered or B you don't get to own all the guns you would like to.

No brainer.

 

Fair point. My rebuttal is that in many of these cases the perpetrator was not only on the radar of law enforcement and the proverbial ball was dropped and/or they should not have been eligible for the right in the first place. The guy that just shot all the students in Florida checks boxes by both of the points I just made. He had been treated for mental illness, was known to local police, had been reported to the FBI twice, and was red flagged by the school to not be able to bring a backpack on campus. Even if of one of those is not enough to disqualify him from buying a firearm all of them together should be more than enough. This is a failure of protections that are already in place.

Furthermore, better protections on the school grounds would likely have prevented the bloodshed once all the other protections failed.

Try other solutions first without denying the people their rights and if that doesn't work there will be a stronger case for denying them. I suspect the other solutions would work though.

 

Sorry but other solutions have been tried.
They haven't worked.
All your psycho tests are in place and have failed

On the other hand, gun bans have had a 100% success rate.
It works so don't piss around.

 

But the dreamers of rainbows and unicorns believe that if they can get rid of the guns, even the guns of law abiding people, that this gun grab will solve the problem. That people will stop killing others with guns...and will be forced to use other means. Home made bombs come to mind. Knives, or just running through the kids as they leave school, using a car. That is if does not want to buy a black market gun and ammo. Humans, even the mentally ill are clever in their obsession to kill and seem to have always found a means to do that. It is our larger brain and mental abilities. It would be better if we all had chimp brains, as chimps are limited as to how they can kill other chimps. We are far too clever.

 

OK Jake, I've got a suggestion. To keep everyone's rights intact while changing our culture to eliminate school shootings (making everyone happy, yes?), I suggest that we decentralize schooling. As simple as that, kids learn from home on the internet. There is no one place to go to mass shoot schoolchildren. Problem solved. Now that's progressive.