Our right to drop off our kids at a safe school outweighs your right to guns

Well, you need to talk to your local government and get them to agree with you. Then you can get some kinda... gun free zone for your kiddies where, because of your gun free zone signs splattered all over the place, will go somewhere else to kill people.

Good luck!

 

What other solutions have been tried?

Was there adequate armed security onsite in the Florida shooting? No.

Was the FBI warned about the perpetrator but failed to follow up? Yes.

Fix those two things alone and this shooting does not happen.

Can you explain why there were guns in a greater percentage of households in the past yet these shootings were almost unheard of?

Sounds like you want to cut off a leg to treat a toe.

 

Then you probably should keep your house a gun free zone. That way, by the magic aura that surrounds all areas that don't have guns, you and your loved ones will be protected.

Good luck!

 

Good idea- but of course, a large percentage of the parents simply aren't capable of home schooling. I wish they were- the good ones produce great kids. For many, home schooling would be no schooling, and no exposure to the kind of values they need to make life work- but won't find at home. The internet just can't do it. Great research tool, but also so full of garbage that a kid needs an adult monitoring the whole process. A knowledgeable, responsible adult that cares.

 

It's not like public school teachers are capable of teaching, either. Most of them are just lethargic government slugs who despise the job.

I figure if you care about the education of your kids, then that's great and good luck! If you don't, well... they're not my kids so I don't care.

 

Most teachers really want to teach, and really care. They labor under the authority of politically oriented school boards, parents who fail to do their job and expect teachers to make up for it and a number of other problems. However, we don't require students to learn- just teachers to teach.

And those we ignore grow up to be public problems- which you then can't ignore.

 

"Our right to drop off our kids at a safe school outweighs your right to guns"

This is a logical fallacy...a classic appeal to emotion. 'Do it for the kids."

No my property rights (that is all that gun rights are, after all) supercedes any of your imagained threats to "the children" from my ownership of my property.

Sorry, but that's just a fact.

 

spiritgide, you said exactly what I said. Find a way to keep weapons out of the hands of nuts. Your stupid idea of arming the kids is just . . . that. Get with program or start sharpening your butter knife.

 

That is you you are describing. No SCOTUS decision ever has said the 2dA is for keeping tyrannical government in control. Buddy, if the government decides to take over, it will be a done thing very easily, so keep your eye on Trump.

 

Adorable, 5th, yes, you are, but who controls the schooling and how do the kids learn socialization.

Besides, I am not giving up Friday night football.

 

Belch, you picked a most self descriptive moniker.

Modern school teachers are very good, and far better than probably 90% of non-teacher parents in doing the job.

 

Sorry but the constitution guarantee's the people's right to arms to defend themselves against tyranny from criminals or the government. It does not guarantee the right to have a 0% chance of getting shot.

 

Guess you are not much of a history buff.

 

Sorry, Distaff, the welfare clause gives the government the right to protect Americans despite the 2dA.

If you the far right gunners don't get on board, they will be sharpening butter knives for self defense.

 

No, I disagree. They might have cared at one point, but it doesn't take them very long to start worrying more about licensing and getting support from their teacher's union, then they are about teaching Johnn how to read.

Talk to your average innercity public school teacher and ask them why innercity schools are so terrible. They'll talk about a lack of participation from family, lack of resources, lack of special education programs, problems with management, but never once take any responsibility for Jerome.

They'll never say "I don't care", but the proof is in the lack of responsibility pudding. The proof is that by the time an illiterate Jerome gets up there to receive a worthless diploma, he's been shuffled from school to classroom to teacher many many times, and not one of them cared.

 

Also not much of a constitutional scholar either eh?

 

There would still be government requirements for curriculum, and kids could go to the park or street hockey or something to learn socialization.

You said we needed a change in culture. Football is not a right. Isn't it worth it so that no more mass school shootings happen? You're really concerned about those, right? It seems that your real objection here is that a constitutional alternative is available that doesn't violate anyone's rights, and you don't like that because it means you can't try to leverage a tragedy against the 2nd amendment.

 

Neither is internet schooling a right. See how that works, fifth? Stay with me, and I will guide you and belch and others through this learning curve.

 

Check out the first bill trump signed as president on 2-28-17 and you will see who has control of trump in addition to Putin.

 

The general welfare clause actually hurts your argument because so far, wherever we see lefties grabbing guns, we see crime, and lots of it! The general welfare clause is there as a way to direct the federal government away from... things like lefties and their barbaric socialist utopia fantasies.

and we have the stats to prove it.

 

No, no, and no, Belch, you clearly do not understand the power of the welfare clause.

But, I bet, you will in the next few years.

 

and you can't explain why.

Doesn't that inability keep you up at nights wondering why you have all these emotions, but no arguments to back them up? It sure the hell would bug me!

 

I don't respond arguing to silly comments when they make no sense like yours.

 

A mostly well thought out and written post Tom, what I highlighted is completely wrong statistically. AR-15’s barely make a fraction on stats, despite being one of the most popular rifles out there.

 

Every where else is not here. And when you compare apples to apples we are a long way down the list.