Israel and Iran on Path to War as Mideast Tinderbox Awaits Spark

Much to the chagrin of the Iranian apologists who have admitted that they don't trust the regime in Tehran but foolishly supported the accord anyway....saying as they often do, "what's the benefit of leaving"!

 

'Islamo-heaven'.....very appropriate, and well earned. I wish I could see their reactions when they come to realize that the paradise they have imagined for themselves is just an illusion!

 

Let me ask you this, do you see the Arab dictatorships as good normal and strong example of Arab states that would have prevailed the test of time if it wasn't for US-Isr "involvement" ?
I assume you blame US-Isr in all "Arab spring" uprisings.

 

You are asking this question to justify the destruction of the Middle East, the killing of millions of people, the making into refugees millions of people, terrorism in Europe, massive influx of refugees into Europe from both Syria and Libya, the creation of ISIS and similar - which you once said to me would be accepted to have their own country once their leaders were killed suggesting your acceptance of them and both the terrorism in Europe which was predicted by Intelligence before the attack on Iraq and the refugees fuelled by transatlantic anti Islam hatred propaganda coming from pro Israelis in the US allowing the far right to again begin to surface in Europe.

and you really believe there is anything with can justify this?

 

"Justify" ?? do weatherman "justify" a hurricane ?
Your post is full of Arab propaganda and hatred, according to your propaganda the Arabic history is full of things "done" to them and not a single original thought leading to action.

 

No, my post was well researched and your trying to justify it in your reply as well as your previous support for ISIS expressed some years ago as what would happen would be that the leaders would be killed and the the rest given a State suggests you have more intimate knowledge of Israel's intentions than you like to admit. Unable to contest anything you either abuse or attempt to justify. You are becoming someone whose posts are not worth replying to as you are unable to answer them with any honestly.

 

Your post is a misquote of history, it counts Israeli actions with no regard to Arab actions as if they did not exist.

In the past I said that what remains of ISIS - that's the jihadi Sunni now, will be negotiated with the west for their own state or area, if you think the crazies are gone just because the leadership is gone you are very wrong, but this has no sympathy at all just a grim vision of the future.
To suggest "we" or "I" in person know things that are kept from the rest of the world is a nutty conspiracy accusation, you fear us and it leads you to an irrational place.

 

"ISIS - that's the jihadi Shia" ? You are delusional !

 

Right, should have been Sunni, different chick of same ass.
Fixed.

 

A reasonable and educated man does not write books on the earth being flat. Confusing those with people who write books on foreign policy or Israel, and who use historical facts to back up their conclusions should never be included with flat earthers and ancient alien people. Never.

Not once did you try to refute what an author has said about israel, with facts, you used the unreasonable tactic of identifying these men with flat earth people and ancient alien people, and neither of these groups are ever fact based. So, FAIL.

We call these tactics something the Left indulges in, incessantly and yet I don't think you are radical left. Perhaps it is just what radicals do, left and right? For it is required, given how far out they are, and seldom see a need for facts.

 

So is Netanyahu having trouble, perhaps with corruption, and he is using war to misdirect away from himself? I do not keep up with israeli politics, and that is why I ask.

 

It had plenty in it including plenty of quotes from different people on different things. You were unable to find one thing wrong so just came back with abuse like a crying baby having a tantrum.

Fascinating how the psycology of people's minds make them distort what they have even seen. What you were presented with was information on Israel's Clean Break doctrine as well as the US's lack of knowledge of Islam and how that brought them to do in fact what Clean Break wanted and destroy the ME to make it safer for Israel. Without the lies presented by for instance Netanyahu coupled by those our Intelligence officers were told they had to produce and so on, the destruction of the ME would not have happened as the Iraq war could only be said to be in the US interest as part of imperialism and with that to make her alley, Israel in the ME the dominant country although by this time they were well working under Christian Zionism. Without Christian Zionism Israel as a country would have folded long ago and the world would be a much safer place. It makes no difference what arabs or Israelis were like. This action by any norms was criminal from start to finish. Your suggestion that there is any way to justify the millions of people who have been killed, the millions made into refugees, the creation of ISIS and the destruction of the ME for any reason is just unbelievable and lets me know without question what you personally think of the validity of a non Jewish life and it is sickening.

Again I will say the place where it went wrong was in believing that they could by brute force create democracy in Iraq. They believed that they could work as Ataturk had with the Turks and produce a secular democratic state in Iraq. Bernard Lewis was wrong and in that one piece the war failed as instead it gave Iran, one of Israel's most hated countries more power in the region....and so it is going on from their with Israelies still wanting to destroy Iran and her people just like you have expressed no concern about the millions of people who have already been killed in your name. You may need to justify it to yourself but there is no, zero, zilch justification for this massive destruction of human life.

In the past it was you who was trying to convince me they would be fine with their own country. I did not know at that time that Israel was trying to get Syria taken over by ISIS. I guess that is what you are thinking of.

Absolute nonsense. That Israelis are paid to come on forum boards and told what to speak about is widely known. I guess when we discussed this I did not know that Israel's intention was to replace the Syrians with ISIS types. However looking back on you knowing that and that you did not say it at the time is what gave rise to my thinking. Rather it looked like you could have been trying to get me used to an idea that clearly you already were used to. Had you got what you wanted there would not be the new state in Syria just like you were talking about then. Reality, no conspiracy. I would not have expect Joe Bloggs to have known this back then.

 

Well we have a busy week ahead of us, the US embassy moves to Jerusalem, day after is Nakba day, then we have Ramadan and the usual Friday Hamas "protest" at the fence, Bibi does'nt really have to do anything for action, but in regard to Iran, seems like we bombed everything they managed to get into Syria that posed a threat at this time so this round is over but ofc they will continue to try and so we continue to bomb it, the objective has been refined to not allowing the creation of a Syrian Hizbullah, or at least **** with it....

 

No I think the last you said about my evidance is that you need to read them

No I didnt "justify" anything, I said the regimes are weak because they are built on oppression and fear both from an outside devil and from the regime, weak countries do collapse and to expect it, to make plans of actions if they do is just normal from any country that is affected by it.

Nonsense, you cannot hold Israel accountable over Iraq more than any other Western country that approved that war, we didnt even fight in it only got shot. Israelis do not want to destroy any country including Iran, if they held their arms in peace today you know very well Israel would have accepted with great joy so stop with the bloody murderous accusations your country had alot more Iraqi blood on its hands than mine and you know this.

I have NEVER tried to convince anyone in this forum about anything, you need to rest your head because you really dived into conspircy now, we bomb each rocket truck coming from Iran to Syria but we want ISIS to lead Syria ?? this is the ME not some novel story you read, here the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy !

OK so you have your answer, we are the dark side and Im lying to you so ISIS will rule countries and we can finish our satanic rituals,
Was nice to debate with you when you were still Alexa, this fanatic that replaced you is not my cup of tea, we are done.

 

Now you are simply making things up. You provided nothing but abuse. It let me know that you are not here to discuss and learn. I had noticed that you had been abusive to others also at the time. I presume you have just come on to be abusive. You provided no response to what I wrote except abuse. Abuse is only evidence of someone better not to have much to do with. That is the only evidence you provided.

after your abuse, your next statement was to suggest the arabs deserved it. Unable or unwilling to make any comment on anything related to what I said you questioned what would have happened to them anyway if their states had not been destroyed, millions of them killed and millions of them made homeless. Just imagine how you would feel if someone said that about the holocaust because history may well look at this in a similar light.

as you refused to deal with the information provided to you, clearly your words are meaningless and no reply is possible. Deal with the material. Deal with the arguments. Do not try to create a different picture to the one which was being spoken about. Your obfuscating makes discussion impossible

and I am replying to the New Gilos who is simply in this forum to abuse and obfuscating. You taught me by your reply to my first post on this that you have nothing to give but insults just as I had noticed you handing them out to other members of the forum. Makes you feel so big eh? When your only reply to thought out honest posts is abuse then that is all I see when I see you.

 

Yes, a reasonable & educated man wouldn't confuse the two but some tend to blur the boundaries if the so-called 'facts' fit nicely into what they already believe. I would have thought that you might have sensed the slight exaggeration in my account as it regards the aforementioned comparison as I was playing with your fascination with conspiracies of all sorts....especially the ones dealing with that nefarious nation, America!

 

Netanyahu is a murderer who is largely responsible for the deaths of over 4,000 Americans in Iraq. That political criminal must be brought to trial for murder. Anyone who defends his crimes is complicit in them.

 

I have to agree, of course. And it takes a serious person with the ability to use logic, rationality and reason, along with a history of what preceded the event or issue, with plenty of context included. In order to sort the wheat from the chaff, and discard that which a biased writer would present. But in today's world of almost nonexistent journalism, nonexistent because journalists have not used the standards require for real journalism, it is a job to discover what the truth is as opposed to what bias has yielded. You have to be vigilant, and reject any bias. Especially when the truth does not jive with your ideology and personal beliefs. Apparently this is a very difficult thing! To think outside of the ideological beliefs and other beliefs that one might hold. And so few are able to pull it off, IMO.

And this becomes very destructive of the truth, when indulged in by journalists. For what they give to a people as factual information is an attempt to manufacture consent to a biased point of view, which may or may not have any connection to the truth of the matter. A product of deserting honesty, integrity and standards of journalism that used to be taught in all schools of journalism.

 

It is 'advocacy journalism' of which you speak, and you are totally correct. I still remember when I first became aware of it during Barry Goldwater's attempt at the presidency....the media, in collusion with the Democrat party, went all out to side with the incumbent, LBJ, and portray Goldwater as less than stable. It was difficult at the time to entertain alternative views as there really was nothing available other than ABC, NBC and CBS as far as television was concerned....the print media had limited niches.

And, unfortunately it is also true that so few are able to make the distinction between bias and legitimate news reporting....just witness the one-sided barrage our current president is subjected to, and the overwhelming negative effect it has had on the perception of him by a large segment of the American people....a complete lack of journalistic standards to say the least.

Every thinking person should indeed consider a reality outside the box of their personal worldview...but who could deny how difficult that is today with opposing sides competing with opposing truths.....leaving the average citizen left to wonder about the proper course to believe & follow!

 

Thanks for proving my point.

Most idiots don't understand the difference between an aircraft's range, and its combat radius.

The F-16's combat radius is rather limited. Because of the distance to the target, and because they couldn't re-fuel in-flight, the F-16s had to carry extra fuel, and less ordnance, and if I remember, they could only carry two bombs. Less ordnance means more strike aircraft are required, and more strike aircraft requires more aircraft for fighter coverage.

The targets that would need to be hit are all deep in Iran, and there's no way for Israel to strike those targets without in-flight refueling operations, and Israel doesn't have the assets to refuel the size of a strike force needed.

Even if Israel did have the refueling assets, they couldn't sit for 2-3 hours over the Persian Gulf refueling aircraft in plain sight of the Iranians.

The best the Israelis could hope to do is attack the dual-reactors at Bushwehr, but that wouldn't stop any alleged nuclear weapons program, since Iran has no Plutonium. In fact, such an attack would give the Iranians justification for a nuclear weapons program.

That's why Israel hasn't, and won't, attack Iran.

 

Oh you are most welcome Transylvania...
Make yourself at home bud, because you know we both are talking about the "same braindead morons who think Israeli airforce has bases only at home"...
I understand how you feel about them artards; I know they are pathetic but you just can't expect them to know where AZERBAIJAN is located at, or how it's been politically positioned against Iran with their overwhelming 98% Shiite muslim population, or their strong friendship with Israel when they have never been to the region once in their lifetime and thinking of it consisting only of 3 countries: Iran KSA and Israel...

Here; show them this:



And let them idiots know that Israel "has been owning" multiple airfields in Azerbaijan... And tell them Azerbaijan's secular constitution is the main reason for Mullahs being scared of losing their power over Iranian people and they had to support an "infidel" country like Armenia against their fellow shiite Azerbaijan. Israel builds its strategy on many alternatives, not just one.
Remember; Jews are the smartest people on earth... Tell them stupids this...