Why not mandate trigger locks and locked gun cases?

It has been started to remove weapons from the 1800s. We outlawed guns for Indians and blacks. Gee, I wonder why they did that. Then in the 30s, automatic weapons, then in the 60's requiring id and limited quantities of ammunition, in the 1990 the ugly gun ban (semi autos which had faux military look), then limit the number of shells in clips, then ages, then this, then that. In California, they even pick up the guns. There are 21,000 gun laws and regulations (shall not infringe, my "A*s). YET, now you want to do more, because none of it done before, we have to do more???

You don't want "citizens" here in the USA, you want "subjects".

You DO know what the "shot heard round the world" was, don't you. If you don't, look it up. Our revolutionary war started when the British came to pick up the community and private guns, and the rebels open fired and defended their area from the crown and lit the match for a revolutionary war, that brings us to where we are today.

I am never continued to be amazed at the lack of History and America by the citizens who received a free freedom advantage, and want to piss it away. this is not flaming either, it is factual.

 

To do what they liberals want, you totally trash the constitution. To me, freedom is not free, and with human behavior, it is ALWAYS at risk. I have a daughter alive and well, and a dead robber at her bar in the early 1990s. Guns only have to be available ONCE in a lifetime to secure that lifetime.

 

Let's try to stay focused on what we can do to prevent the epidemic of gun violence instead of making up strained analogies.

 

It just adds complexity to an already complex device. I do a quite a bit of target practice. Not as much as I used to, but I like to handle the weapon on a regular basis so I don't fumble when I need it. You would be surprised how many ways a supposedly reliable semiautomatic pistols can jam or misfire. I do not want another failure mechanism.

I personally prefer a revolver for reliability. However, it is not ideal as a home self defense weapon. I don't want a weapon which is loaded in the house. I can stick a magazine into a semiautomatic in a second or two. I could easily end up fumbling around with inserting rounds into a revolver for several minutes.

 

Why, because it destroys the point of your argument? Are you pounding the table and yelling? (smiling). The point is we cannot violate the constitution to do what you want. In other words, you trash the constitution to try and fix the non-existent problem.
Here, for you, is the 4th amendment reasoning. Background checks violate it, and it was written for good reasons.
Why was 4th amendment created?
The 4th amendment is in the bill of rights in the United States Constitution. The bill of rights was created in September 25, 1789, and was Ratified (used as law) on December 15, 1791. It was created to stop unreasonable searches and seizures, as the power was abused.
This power is again being used in spite of the 4th amendment. Patriot Act, gun registration, stop and frisk, airport searches etc.. The fourth amendment has a "probable cause" section in it. Without probable cause, the government searches (like background checks) according to the constitution is illegal. Yes, even the airport searches are illegal per the constitution as written. You need a reason to believe THIS PERSON or THAT PERSON has a gun with "probable cause", fine. However, a blanket search is illegal.

 

Buy "the judge" revolver for home defense, the perfect weapon. Body armor, no problem, dark, no problem, a quick moving target, no problem. Get the 2" barrel type.

 

Making hysterical accusations about constitutional violations when what is being suggested is securing lethal weapons with a trigger lock makes you appear extremist in your views and thus unwilling to consider compromise measures to reduce gun violence.

 

With you I might support it

 

And the more I hear these kinds of posts the more I think that for some gun advocates these guys shooting up schools are living the dream

 

A family of four on the other side of a wall, or a kid playing in his front yard a half mile away from your house? no problem. Jeebus Bleeding SAVIOR have any of you people even HEARD of the most ELEMENTARY gun safety precepts? You don't WANT or NEED a ****** "elephant pistol" for self-defense if you live in an even slightly residential area, I don't care WHAT they used in Death Wish.

 

While we are at it we should make drugs illegal also....no wait.

 

Appear???

 

Actually a large slug low muzzle velocity weapon which makes it ideal for home defense. Not a lot of penetrating power, but it is likely to knock down an intruder at close range.

 

It's a fundamental legal principle that penal provisions require malicious intent, or in negligence based offenses "depraved indifference" (I love Law and Order). Depravity can be VERY difficult to prove. I think gun owners should be held CIVILLY liable and be required to carry insurance. We're willing to insure CARS, why not things actually MADE to hurt people?

 

OIC, OK I was fooled by your saying it penetrates body armor, My bad.

 

Are you ok with the same sentence if your car isn’t securely locked and is used by someone unauthorized who gets in an accident and kills someone?

 

You on the left enojoy going off on hate speech, what about when a teen boy in high school acts like he will kill students, you get off the dime and support our call for a few things.

This will work. Locked door policy of schools. Time to realize anti fa and others cause this to be part of a teens mindset.
Signs on campus grounds announcing the policy is to shoot down armed kids.
Dogs that attack need to be on the school. Dogs that attack those with guns that do not need a gun.
Swift punishment for the killer kids. Why is Dylan Roof still living?

 

Maybe you missed my question...

What happens if someone steals my gun and I claim they must have picked the lock?

 

Not my post. A 45 slug will not penetrate body armor. However, it is very likely to knock them down. It is a heavy slug with a muzzle velocity of about 825 fps. Fairly slow as pistols go.

 

Goalposts moved. Duly noted.

 

It was the 2A defenders against all gun control that brought up pools.

But it does hurt to know that pools, cars, etc all contain better protections mandated by law than guns.

 

The point of a lethal weapon is to kill those who would try to kill you. How could you do that with a gun you cannot access quickly? There is no compromising. Get over it. Guns are staying. What you should be focusing on is what is wrong with people's mental health. Have a good strong look at social media, maybe hollywood, and the destruction of the family. Guns do not magically turn people into killers.

 

Disregard. Apparently they have a heavier load available than a standard 45 ACP which is what I use in my Para USA Model 1911. I like my 45 ACP because of its lack of penetrating ability and shorter range.

 

Trigger locks are mandatory. I had to provide one with every firearm I sold as a dealer. BATFe rule. Some states require they are in a safe when not in use.

The arguments "hard to get to, unlock etc when needed" are good ones though. I keep mine locked except for what I am carrying. No kids around, my dogs are scared of guns so no problem there.

 

Penalize how? Take away your toys? Because that's what they bloody ARE, and now they've been proven dangerous and the rest of us think they ought to be taken away, and your reaction is WAH, WAH, YOU CAN'T TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY, I WANNA BE RAMBO I NEED MUH GUNS WAH.

Grow the **** UP you bunch of overgrown babies.