Why not mandate trigger locks and locked gun cases?

I think it is every gun owners responsibility to take steps to prevent unauthorized use of them. I personally prefer my vault. Making a law requiring specific steps be taken however could really only be enforced after the fact. If the owners negligence is proven then they should be held responsible.


That said if my child had done what the Santa Fe shooter did. The threat of a “5 year” sentence wouldn’t compare to the suffering I would be feeling.

Just passing laws isn’t going to be good enough. With 60-70% of Americans opposed to hand gun bans.( I am one of those) Reducing the amount of guns in the US is decades away. That is a best case scenario IMO even if the anti gun movement passed everything they wanted to.

If we want school shootings to stop. We have to stop them from getting in the schools every time with any weapons. As well as having a law enforcement presence at every school at all times. For when there is eventually a failure in the first goal.

It will cost billions and will be burdensome to everyone involved.To a parent that lost a child would seem pretty cheap. To society however, is it worth that cost to save few hundred lives per year?

 

Still to cowardly to answer the questions I see.

 

So cars are impossible to steal?

 

Why not mandate chastity belts and chaperones?

 

What good is gun if it's locked up?

What am I going to do? Tell the bad guy "hold on a minute while I unlock my gun and load it"?

 

They're supposed to be lethal.
That's the whole point if your little brain hasn't figured it out

 

Hello Lee,

I’m an NRA member, and I own 11 firearms. I keep them all in a gun safe except for any firearm under my immediate control.

In this manner, I am able to both “keep” arms and “bear” arms.

Keeping unattended firearms secure should not have to be a matter of law. Instead, it should be a matter of common sense. Unfortunately, that isn’t always the case.

If laws were passed mandating gun security, they would have no effect on those of us who already keep our guns secure.

Therefore, I am not necessarily against laws that mandate gun security.

Seth

 

I raised 6 kids around unsecured guns. I trained them in the use, I trained them in home defense with them. Never had a problem. As I said before, my daughter killed an attempted robber in her bar at 3 AM with a little 5 shot pistol, hitting the perp 4 out of 5 shots. I KNOW the gun saved her life, a little 95 LB weakling facing a 200 LB armed robber. All the training, the gun open to use, and the ability to shoot straight and never showing the gun to the robber until it barked his death. The perp had 4 major felonies convictions and was out on bail on another. She put a mad dog down. Students over 15 should be able to carry guns if they have passed the NRA safety program successfully. I had a 30-30 clip fed semi auto rifle at 14 years of age. Nope, I never shot anyone except in the military under military orders and self preservation.

 

I thought we we're talking about enacting laws that ostecibly force people to be more responsible in keeping the more dangerous of their possessions away from criminals.

On that note- What happens if someone steals my gun and I claim that they must have picked the lock?

I've asked this thrice now. It shouldn't be a difficult question...

 

Why should you be responsible for another's criminal activity?

 

If someones negligence facilitated the crime they should be held responsible.

If I leave a firearm to where my 8 year old gets it and shoots her friend or vice versa. I would be the person most to blame for that crime.

If it can be proven that the father of the Santa Fe shooters negligence facilitated the act. While I don’t think he should get be charged with capital murder. 10 negligent homicide charges seems justified to me.

 

Lansa's guns were kept in a safe and his mother's not around for prosecution.

 

And you aren't supposed to have lethal things that endanger everybody for no good reason. That's called human society. If your huge brain can't grasp that go live in Antarctica , you'll not be missed.

 

We are at a disagreement about that word reasonable. Try as you might, you can't put a lock on violence. It's not reasonable to inhibit the individual's ability to defend against violence in an attempt to limit an individual's ability to commit violence. Defense against violence requires legitimate threats of equal or greater violence.

 

The brain is the most lethal thing man possesses, liberals can't control that thing despite all their attempts to use the force of government to do so.

 

Well prison is a relative concept If I had to go thru all this where I lived I'd not be living there regardless of my firearms

 

Mainly because leftists are blatantly really only interested in progressively (ha!) making private gun ownership so onerous that people will give up on the very concept. You are fooling only the stupid; i.e., the typical non-thinking Dem Party voter.

 

I usually just answer the ring, then again I like surprises

 

Always good to make sure those nuts have guns eh?

 

As it stands this is too vague. If you're defending your home, getting a locked firearm ready can cost precious seconds. What are the exceptions to the rule. What if the firearm is stolen along with the key to the trigger lock?

A law like this makes sense, but so did registries until municipalities turned them into a de facto ban by refusing to register guns.

 

The proposal is to make it mandatory to keep them locked. If the owner does that, they are in compliance.

That's why we have courts. Remember Kim Davis?

 

Put the camera across from the door and aimed at it. You may have ask guests to turn around but that should solve your problem there. A good quality steel door will stand up to even a police ram for little while and it was a policeman who told me that. Windows can be secured with bars or some strategically placed thorny rose bushes or cacti. I realize that getting a dog is much like getting a new member of the family who craps on the floor if you don't take him out but a Glock won't lick your face. (or if it does you have a whole new set of concerns).

I'm going to break down finally and say that IF none of these things helps AT ALL you MIGHT be a candidate for a gun permit in my Preventotopia, don't expect a congratulations, though, as I really think you should move, that location's too dangerous.

And one other thing, Even if you keep your gun and get more do not EVER open the door to strangers, (I tell even friends to call ahead but that's just me.) If someone needs help call the police for them. You are not a policeman or an EMT and all you are doing is putting yourself at risk of being sued or worse .

 

Well as an " intelligent" representative of the " thinking" right what do you propose to curb gun violence?

 

Here's the thing. If you look at gun violence in the "mass" category over the last 40 years it was maybe a once a year thing until the 90s. Since then the number has been increasing. Why is the number increasing, when guns were more prevalent then, than they are now. There is clearly a catalyst to the increase, but it is not firearms or at least not a large percentage.

So the question of an increase in "mass" violence needs to be examined with an open mind, of which most people on this board don't have. Until it is examined and the real reasons found there is nothing that can be fixed. In this last school incident they also found explosives. Even if you could make all firearms disappear they would fine another method. If this examination is ever done, people may not like what the root cause is either and I suspect some already have a clue, but don't want to admit it so they focus on guns.

That's a good amount of drama there. Reading that article I'm having a problem finding an industry that is not in league with death.

For people that are using a firearm for self defense purposes, military purposes, and law enforcement purposes they have to have reliability. A normal firearm is a mechanical device, and mechanical devices fail all the time, either through lack of maintenance, lack of use, or poor construction. Adding another element to this of electronics just makes this worse. I have not seen all of the possible electronic types, but I have seen 2 and a by-pass on both was figured out within an hour. Add to this that you are now throwing batteries into the mix, which can die and corrode you are now making the firearm even more likely to fail if an emergency arises.

 

It looks like only 1 was kept in the safe. The others appeared to be kept in a 2nd floor bedroom in gun cases. And the one gun safe was in the computer room that Adam used.