Norwegian man sentenced to 6 years for giving girlfriend abortion pill laced smoothie

1) as they have full responsibility for the decision to expose themselves to a pregnancy in the first place.

2) nowhere have I mentioned the meaning of the word responsibility. this debate is about degree of responsibility.

 

Uh, "NER" isn't a word....could you try English?

 

Right, so since you DIDN'T say that women don't know how to avoid pregnancy, you agree then that they are choosing to become pregnant (by voluntarily engaging in the very act which results in pregnancy)?

 

Then SHOW THE PROOF that I said women don't know how to avoid pregnancy.

You can't because I never said that.

You saying I said something I didn't DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE.

 

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Good to see you can admit to telling an untruth.

NO, that doesn't follow.


NO woman can CHOOSE to get pregnant (unless it's artificial insemination).

A woman can have sex a hundred times and CHOOSE to get pregnant but that doesn't mean she will.

 

it ain't his body... his action could have killed that woman, he should be sentenced to life without parole...

 

We're not discussing biology, we're discussing her CHOICE to engage in the sole act which CAN produce a pregnancy. That it doesn't always do so is utterly beside the point, and an attempt to avoid owning what you're actually saying. Lying down on the freeway doesn't always produce truck death, but voluntarily doing so means you are prepared to die.

The only way you can separate consequences from actions is if you insist that the individual is retarded, a child, or not in control of her own person.

 

Like the responsibility to have a good diet laced with folate?

 

So, how do you propose to enforce abstinence?

 

What? When was that discussed?

I thought we were discussing female autonomy.

 

Exactly. Of course, some might claim women are too stupid to do that, also.

 

Given the ignorance on THIS board in relation to contraception then I would say that ignorance can and dies play a part

Now tell me are you going to join the other anti-choices in this board who have condemned an 11 year old girl for “having sex with her grandfather”

 

And I note you did not address my point about folate destruction with sunlight exposure. Are you also going to blame women for being fair skinned and living in the tropics?

 

If Plan B pills are so dangerous, why did they make them available on drug store shelves in the U.S. without a prescription?
Why are school nurses giving them to 13-year-olds without informing her parents?

Why are migrant families giving them to their daughters in anticipation of being raped? (before they make the journey to cross the border led by a smuggler)


Bowerbird, how about if he had just made her a smoothie with lots of green papaya?

 

so are the 'boys' that pull their dicks out and place them in those vaginas... why are you so adamantly against woman?

 

I already pointed out that your thing about willingly engaging in unprotected sex is BS.

I'm incredibly resistant to ANYONE losing authority over their personal health decisions.

In fact, I'm incredibly supportive of the idea that health information is private.

 

was he a doc?
from your op: says pills not pill, percocet is harmless also, unless you crush many of 'em into someone else's drink... the action calls for the death penalty imo, he got off lucky with 6 years...

 

Easy solution:

Stop with your attempts to inject government in this way!

Women are fully capable of determining a healthcare direction for themselves without you or the government.

 

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NO woman can CHOOSE to get pregnant (unless it's artificial insemination).

A woman can have sex a hundred times and CHOOSE to get pregnant but that doesn't mean she will.

Didn't refute one word of my post.

If one voluntarily lays down on a highway that doesn't mean anyone has a right to run them over.
It doesn't mean that if they're injured they should be denied medical care.

The man in the OP ( remember that?) had no right to terminate his girl friend's pregnancy, it was assault...and he'll pay for it, no matter if she had consensual sex or not.


I think your frustration stems from you asking if a man should have a say in a woman's pregnancy and I asked if that meant if he said, "have an abortion", she had to have an abortion.....and YOU never answered

 

Good, now let's start prosecuting infanticidal mothers too.

 

You STILL haven't looked up the word "CHOICE" in the dictionary so continue to be confused.

 

Yes, but I'm just suggesting that as the biological father, he had a bit more right to do it than a random stranger.
Not that he had the right overall, but it's a matter of degrees.

So maybe the punishment should take this fact into consideration. Just like the law takes into account that the woman is the mother of the fetus when it legalizes abortion.

(i.e. one of the arguments from pro-choicers in support of abortion is that the woman doesn't want to be a mother)

 

NO, he did NOT....laws aren't based on if you know the victim or not.

Oh, did you think that the "father" had some kind of "claim" on the woman because he impregnated her?

NO, impregnating women does NOT make them your property.

NOPE, no rights in ANY degrees.

So you think a man can do anything he wants to a woman if he knows her?

Hardly....try telling THAT to a judge...

No, it doesn't and that has nothing to do with allowing a man to assault a woman because he's the father of the fetus.....how WEIRD to think so!!!

WTF are you talking about??

 

Would you argue then that the fact she is the biological mother and it's her fetus are irrelevant to the argument about abortion?
Or are you trying to hold up double standards?

 

We already have a whole bunch of law concerning killing people.

Are you suggesting they aren't being prosecuted?