16 Bible Verses That Teach The Bible Is The Word Of God.

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  1. Ronald Hillman

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    I cannot be bothered with your churlishness, the facts are there in the report I provided and you were shown to be incorrect, rather than apologise you double down with the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "I cannot hear you", how very Christian of you!

    Again.
    Actual word of God Inspired word of God Ancient book of fables
    % %
    %
    U.S. adults
    24 47 26
    Men
    Women 26 48 24
    Whites 22 48 28
    Nonwhites 29 46 23
    18 to 29 12 54 30
    30 to 49 24 40 33
    50 to 64 31 49 19
    65+ 27 49 22
    College graduate 13 50 36
    Some college 27 44 26
    No college 31 47 19
    Total Christian 30 54 14
    Protestant/Other Christian 35 51 12
    Catholic 21 58 19
    No religion 7 21 68
    Religion very important 41 50 7
    Religion fairly important 13 66 17
    Religion not important 2 20 76
    GALLUP, MAY 3-7, 2017

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/210704/record-few-americans-believe-bible-literal-word-god.aspx
     
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    It is not a nuance the difference between literal and inspired, is english your first language? If not check it out in a dictionary.
     
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    Incorrect.
    If they believe that God inspired the verse, then it most certainly would
    provide comfort to Christians.
    That may be.
    But faith can be increased, right? Yes it can be.
    So additional assurances from God from His word
    both can and does increase our Faith.

    But assurances from God that His word is true CAN answer
    some Christian's questions. Therefore my 16 Bible verses
    are very useful to Christians.
    The Opening Post is addressed to Christians ONLY.
    With atheists invited to comment.

    Evidently not based upon your interpretation and application
    of logic, but of course you are not the authority on what is,
    or is not, logical.

    Incorrect.
    It greatly helps Christians as I explained up-post.

    All that is within your imagination. Thanks for your opinions on that.

    As I said you are not the authority on what is, or is not, logical.

    Clearly I disagree.
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    Thanks for your insights.

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    False.

    That was not what I responded to.
    You just now posted that.
    I do not click on your links.
    I responded to what you DID post.
    Which was this:

    From your own post.
    Start quote
    Nonwhites, adults aged 50 and older, and adults with no college education all lean toward believing the Bible is the actual word of
    God rather than stories and history recorded by man.


    Men, whites, adults aged 18 to 29 as well as those aged 30 to 49, and college graduates lean in the other direction, with more being
    skeptics than literalists.
    Still, in all of these groups, the largest segment takes the middle position, believing the Bible reflects the inspired word of God.

    Naturally, there are also strong differences in Americans' perspectives on the Bible by religious preference.

    As a whole, more Christians take the Bible literally than say it is a book of stories and history recorded by man.


    However, within the broad group of Christians, Protestants (including those who generically refer to themselves as "Christian")
    lean toward the literalist view,


    while Catholics divide evenly between seeing the Bible as the literal word of God and saying it is a book of stories. .
    End quote.


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    You post childish nonsense.
    Your posts are at the Third Grade Level of maturity.
    Your posts reek of strong hostility toward Christians.
    Your posts are forever unfriendly and hostile.
    Your posts most always contain insults.
    You are accomplished in ad hominem attacks on Christians.
    You seem very emotionally involved in your dislike of Christians.




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    I'm saying that logically it shouldn't provide comfort. But people aren't logical and we often derive comfort from things that don't really help. Kind of like how children will suck their thumbs when they are in a new daycare. Or a woman will keep her coat on during a first date. And most of the time, there isn't anything too wrong with that as long as its not being used to support a wrong and harmful belief.

    Mere assurances logically shouldn't increase faith because assurances do not at all improve the likelihood of something being true. But they definitely work on people emotionally. Sales people will act very confident and assure prospects that their products are great. And this actually works, even though it shouldn't. Assurances can be used by someone who is trying hard to believe something to brainwash himself since we are so suseptible to assurances.

    What question can these assurances answer? If you already believe the bible is God's word, then the bible claiming its God's word won't give you anything new. If you are doubful the bible is God's word, the bible claiming it is, is unlikely to resolve your doubts. The benefit from this verses are emotional at best.

    And you aren't an authority on whether I am an authority on what is or is not logical, so your comment holds no weight. Don't listen to my words because I am an authority, consider whether they hold up on their own and logically make sense.
     
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    You have had the figures that prove you wrong you now deflect from the argument with childish insults, how very christian of you!
     
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    I did.
    They do not.
     
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    More Falseness.

    You post childish nonsense.
    Your posts are at the Third Grade Level of maturity.
    Your posts reek of strong hostility toward Christians.
    Your posts are forever unfriendly and hostile.
    Your posts most always contain insults.
    You are accomplished in ad hominem attacks on Christians.
    You seem very emotionally involved in your dislike of Christians.
     
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    People can read the posts and see who is telling the truth,I just posted a report that showed you to be wrong and the insults above are your response, deflection. enjoy!
     
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    @Giftedone

    You are either going to do it, or you are not going to do it.
    Which is is it?

    I am not interested in your nuances between "inspired" and "literal."
    YOU can believe whatever you want to believe.

    You have yet to prove that "the vast majority of the Church does not accept"
    the Bible to be literally God's word.
    YOU said :vast majority"

    Now prove it.

    In post 72 of this thread Giftedone said this:
    To suggest that God was the one who put together the 66 Books of the Bible does not pass the smell test.
    Faith should not include dispensing with logic and reason.

    This is not to say there was not some inspiration from God in some of the writings - but for the whole thing
    to be literally Gods word is something that vast majority of the Church does not accept - and for good reason.

    It is only the extremists that buy into this idea - Fundamentalist Evangelicals and Pentecostals.

    "2 Timothy" - written 100-140 ad - was not written by Paul - so you are suggesting that God is guilty of
    Pious Fraud ?

    and that is just for starters.
    End qquote.

    ____________

    You said "vast majority"___Giftedone
    Now prove it.

    Don't just sit there at your computer starring at the screen
    go get clear and solid proof that the "vast majority" of the
    Christian Church does not believe that the whole Bible is
    the LITERAL word of God --- and put it up here in this thread.
    This is your opportunity to shine and demonstrate your
    research skills. Prediction: You will NOT do it. Because
    you CANNOT do it.


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    It has been done, 68% of Christians do not believe the Bible is literal as I have shown you 3 times, deny, insult, deflect, you are just making a fool of yourself.
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/210704/record-few-americans-believe-bible-literal-word-god.aspx
     
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    Your silly childish immature posts are characterized by insults and falsehoods.

    That is NOT what you posted. See the bolded red below.

    Ronald Hillman Posted:
    Start quote
    Nonwhites, adults aged 50 and older, and adults with no college education all lean toward believing the Bible is the actual word of
    God rather than stories and history recorded by man.


    Men, whites, adults aged 18 to 29 as well as those aged 30 to 49, and college graduates lean in the other direction, with more being
    skeptics than literalists.
    Still, in all of these groups, the largest segment takes the middle position, believing the Bible reflects the inspired word of God.

    Naturally, there are also strong differences in Americans' perspectives on the Bible by religious preference.

    As a whole, more Christians take the Bible literally than say it is a book of stories and history recorded by man.


    However, within the broad group of Christians, Protestants (including those who generically refer to themselves as "Christian")
    lean toward the literalist view,


    while Catholics divide evenly between seeing the Bible as the literal word of God and saying it is a book of stories. .
    End quote


    You post childish nonsense.
    Your posts are at the Third Grade Level of maturity.
    Your posts reek of strong hostility toward Christians.
    Your posts are forever unfriendly and hostile.
    Your posts most always contain insults.
    You are accomplished in ad hominem attacks on Christians.
    You seem very emotionally involved in your dislike of Christians.



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    You are not being truthful which I shall show.

    This is what I posted which includes the link that proves you wrong. You are not being honest.

    You ignored the link and misunderstood the text.

    I posted this to help one of your fellow christians out with proof to prove his point that you disputed.

    I have since posted the data in another format from the same link as you appeared to have a problem understanding english comprehension. You have ignored that data and resulted to insults quoted below.

    You post childish nonsense.
    Your posts are at the Third Grade Level of maturity.
    Your posts reek of strong hostility toward Christians.
    Your posts are forever unfriendly and hostile.
    Your posts most always contain insults.
    You are accomplished in ad hominem attacks on Christians.
    You seem very emotionally involved in your dislike of Christians

    I posted data and a link not nonsense.
    I posted in support of one of your fellow christians nothing hostile.
    I have quoted the insults you have thrown at me, you have not quoted any of the insults you imagine I posted.
    I posted in support of a Christian helping out with proof that you requested.
    The only emotion shown in this thread is your insults and churlishness at my support for one of your fellow Christians.

    Please stop embarrassing your religion and fellow reasonable and likable Christians with these false accusations, denial of the truth and deflection. People can read what is written in the thread and see that I have posted the truth.

    Now do you still deny that 68% of Christians do not take the bible literally( which is a vast majority. That is and was the only point I was making and which you still have not acknowledged.

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    Ron posted evidence that refutes one of your claims for which you were saying "Prove it Prove it" - trying to put forward the fantasy that most Christians believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible - That there was some flood covering the entire earth around 2300 BC - and that God is some xenophobic flip flopping genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human emotions and characteristics.

    Since you have no ability to respond - you lash out with childish namecalling and demonization - projecting your flaws onto others.

    If you want to believe in this version of God - have at it - but the vast majority of Christians do not share these extremist beliefs.
     
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    “The Bible is not the word of God but the words of men who claim they
    were inspired by God to write the Biblical books.”____Mr. Rite-Rite Right Jr.

    CORRECT.


    "The Bible is the word of God." ____Mr. Rong-Rong Wrong Jr.

    WRONG. The authors of the biblical texts are public knowledge. As Mr. Rite-Rite Right Jr. states very clearly those men only "CLAIM" to have been inspired by god".

    The bottom line is (1) those men wrote the bible (2) their inspiration is only rumoured (3) the source of their "claimed" inspiration is pure fantasy (4) therefore the bible is a work of fiction and there is no evidence of it being anything other than that.
     
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    This is a great pity.

    1. To believe in something (anything at all) is acceptable.
    2. To disagree with something someone else believes is acceptable.
    3. To try convincing someone that you are right and the other person is wrong is also acceptable but it is a detour from the above points 1 and 2 which can and will solicit debate.

    DEBATE:

    1. Motivating your view by way of example is fair.
    2. Motivating the opposing view is also fair.

    Here's the PROBLEM:

    1. HONESTY: Motivation based upon sense, logic, or proof (by sense, logic, and/or proven) is a worthy argument.
    2. DISHONESTY: Motivation based upon nonsense, illogic, or fabricated (false) "proof" is worthy of nothing.

    THE BOTTOM LINE:
    If someone wishes to convince others of his/her point of view then he/she must be honest or he/she will get nowhere except into hot water. In other words, if you are willing to change someone else's mind then you must be honest and you must listen to the opposing view. "I'm right and you're wrong" is not a debate and so you must suffer the consequences of your dishonesty by taking direct criticism.

    If honesty, sense, logic, and proof has you against the ropes then chances are that your view (belief) is hogwash.

    bible.jpg
     
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    I DO deny it.
    I have no confidence in polls.
    They do not reflect the truth.
    Even if the 68% was true, and it is NOT true, that still is NOT a "vast majority."

    Your silly childish immature posts are characterized by insults and falsehoods.

    See the bolded red below.

    Ronald Hillman Posted:
    Start quote
    Nonwhites, adults aged 50 and older, and adults with no college education all lean toward believing the Bible is the actual word of
    God rather than stories and history recorded by man.


    Men, whites, adults aged 18 to 29 as well as those aged 30 to 49, and college graduates lean in the other direction, with more being
    skeptics than literalists.
    Still, in all of these groups, the largest segment takes the middle position, believing the Bible reflects the inspired word of God.

    Naturally, there are also strong differences in Americans' perspectives on the Bible by religious preference.

    As a whole, more Christians take the Bible literally than say it is a book of stories and history recorded by man.


    However, within the broad group of Christians, Protestants (including those who generically refer to themselves as "Christian")
    lean toward the literalist view,


    while Catholics divide evenly between seeing the Bible as the literal word of God and saying it is a book of stories. .
    End quote


    You post childish nonsense.
    Your posts are at the Third Grade Level of maturity.
    Your posts reek of strong hostility toward Christians.
    Your posts are forever unfriendly and hostile.
    Your posts most always contain insults.
    You are accomplished in ad hominem attacks on Christians.
    You seem very emotionally involved in your dislike of Christians.



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    You know nothing about what most Christians believe.
    Your posts are full of ignorance.
    Your posts are amazingly "kooky" and weird.
    You hold foolish absurd views and you present them.
    You ought to be deeply ashamed of your posts.
    You post falseness.
    Now , ,
    Take a look at what your "good buddy" Ronald posted.
    Its in bolded red at the bottom.
    And also right here under your nose:

    "Still, in all of these groups, the largest segment takes the
    middle position, believing the Bible reflects the inspired
    word of God."___Posted by Ronald Hillman


    "As a whole, more Christians take the Bible literally than
    say it is a book of stories and history recorded by
    man."___Posted by Ronald Hillman



    Giftedone,
    "the vast majority"__Giftedone
    You are either going to do it, or you are not going to do it.
    Which is is it?

    I am not interested in your nuances between "inspired" and "literal."
    YOU can believe whatever you want to believe.

    You have yet to prove that "the vast majority of the Church does not accept"
    the Bible to be literally God's word.
    YOU said :vast majority"

    Now prove it.

    In post 72 of this thread Giftedone said this:
    To suggest that God was the one who put together the 66 Books of the Bible does not pass the smell test.
    Faith should not include dispensing with logic and reason.

    This is not to say there was not some inspiration from God in some of the writings - but for the whole thing
    to be literally Gods word is something that vast majority of the Church does not accept - and for good reason.

    It is only the extremists that buy into this idea - Fundamentalist Evangelicals and Pentecostals.

    "2 Timothy" - written 100-140 ad - was not written by Paul - so you are suggesting that God is guilty of
    Pious Fraud ?

    and that is just for starters.
    End qquote.

    ____________

    You said "vast majority"___Giftedone
    Now prove it.

    Don't just sit there at your computer starring at the screen
    go get clear and solid proof that the "vast majority" of the
    Christian Church does not believe that the whole Bible is
    the LITERAL word of God --- and put it up here in this thread.
    This is your opportunity to shine and demonstrate your
    research skills. Prediction: You will NOT do it. Because
    you CANNOT do it.
    _______________

    See the bolded red below.

    Ronald Hillman Posted:
    Start quote
    Nonwhites, adults aged 50 and older, and adults with no college education all lean toward believing the Bible is the actual word of
    God rather than stories and history recorded by man.


    Men, whites, adults aged 18 to 29 as well as those aged 30 to 49, and college graduates lean in the other direction, with more being
    skeptics than literalists.
    Still, in all of these groups, the largest segment takes the middle position, believing the Bible reflects the inspired word of God.

    Naturally, there are also strong differences in Americans' perspectives on the Bible by religious preference.

    As a whole, more Christians take the Bible literally than say it is a book of stories and history recorded by man.


    However, within the broad group of Christians, Protestants (including those who generically refer to themselves as "Christian")
    lean toward the literalist view,


    while Catholics divide evenly between seeing the Bible as the literal word of God and saying it is a book of stories. .
    End quote



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    You continue to not tell the truth and insult, it must embarrass both your religion and fellow Christians that you show so much disdain for. If anyone wants to see the hate that fundamentalists show for others they need only read your sad posts.

    Fr a good man to do evil it takes religion!
     
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    The polls claim that the vast majority of church-going. god-fearing Christians believe that Maria was not impregnated by her husband, Joseph. They go so far as to say they believe that Maria was a virgin and she was impregnated telepathically by god. You say you have no confidence in polls ... I hope you are right on that one or man is as primitive and as superstitious as he was in the Dark Ages.
     
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    Your silly childish immature posts contain hatred and hostility
    towards Christians.

    You ought to be deeply ashamed of your posts.

    You post childish nonsense.
    Your posts are at the Third Grade Level of maturity.
    Your posts reek of strong hostility toward Christians.
    Your posts are forever unfriendly and hostile.
    Your posts most always contain insults.
    You are accomplished in ad hominem attacks on Christians.
    You seem very emotionally involved in your dislike of Christians

    _____________

    Regarding the facts:
    Ronald Hillman Posted:
    Start quote
    Nonwhites, adults aged 50 and older, and adults with no college education all lean toward believing the Bible is the actual word of
    God rather than stories and history recorded by man.


    Men, whites, adults aged 18 to 29 as well as those aged 30 to 49, and college graduates lean in the other direction, with more being
    skeptics than literalists.
    Still, in all of these groups, the largest segment takes the middle position, believing the Bible reflects the inspired word of God.

    Naturally, there are also strong differences in Americans' perspectives on the Bible by religious preference.

    As a whole, more Christians take the Bible literally than say it is a book of stories and history recorded by man.


    However, within the broad group of Christians, Protestants (including those who generically refer to themselves as "Christian")
    lean toward the literalist view,


    while Catholics divide evenly between seeing the Bible as the literal word of God and saying it is a book of stories. .
    End quote

    .
    I DO deny it
    "Still, in all of these groups, the largest segment takes the
    middle position, believing the Bible reflects the
    inspired word of God."___Posted by Ronald Hillman


    "As a whole, more Christians take the Bible literally
    than say it is a book of stories and history
    recorded by man."___Posted by Ronald Hillman


    I have no confidence in polls.
    They do not reflect the truth.
    Even if the 68% was true, and it is NOT true, that still is NOT a "vast majority."

    Your silly childish immature posts are characterized by insults and falsehoods.

    JAG


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    It is clear from your replies what you are, I know it, the other posters know it and most of all your god knows it, enjoy your silly little games and churlish responses!
     
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    It is clear from your hate filled posts that you hate and despise
    Christians and that you will say whatever is needed to trash
    Christianity and trash Christians.

    You ought to be deeply ashamed of your posts attacking Christianity.

    _______

    Ronald Hillman Posted:
    "Still, in all of these groups, the largest segment takes the
    middle position, believing the Bible reflects the
    inspired word of God."___Posted by Ronald Hillman

    "As a whole, more Christians take the Bible literally
    than say it is a book of stories and history
    recorded by man."___Posted by Ronald Hillman


    __________

    Your silly childish immature posts contain hatred and hostility
    towards Christians.

    You post childish nonsense.
    Your posts are at the Third Grade Level of maturity.
    Your posts reek of strong hostility toward Christians.
    Your posts are forever unfriendly and hostile.
    Your posts most always contain insults.
    You are accomplished in ad hominem attacks on Christians.
    You seem very emotionally involved in your dislike of Christians


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    On the contrary, I posted evidence to support a Christian that again is a fact that other posters can see. I have no hostility towards the majority of Christians and you cannot prove otherwise, it is just another of your imaginings as are the alleged insults you say I have made towards you. I have shown your insults that you posted and continue to post against me, the forum can judge who is telling the truth and who is a liar. Enjoy!
     

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