16 Bible Verses That Teach The Bible Is The Word Of God.

False.
Again, he is not my "fellow Christian."
You do not know what you're talking about.
You do not understand what "my fellow Christian" has
actually said in this thread and in my Christians/Stars Thread.
But I do, I understand it perfectly, And he is not my "fellow Christian."


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Oh that is a new deflection, having shown you do not understand the distinction between literal and inspired you are now concentrating on whether Giftdone is a christian, lets forget the previous pages of insults and deflection and start on another new deflection.

If Giftdone does not identify as a christian I apologise if I caused him any offence, none was intended. Now can you answer his questions?

 

If the poll question was rephrased - to represent reality - "do you believe in talking donkeys" followed by a list of numerous other things that a majority of Christians do not believe, things that they must believe in order for the Bible to be accepted as the literal word in its entirety - how do you think the poll would go.

This will so become an exercise in stating the obvious. Questions like "Do you believe God is a xenophobic flip flopper and genocidal maniac with the most petty of and nasty of human characteristics and emotions"

How do you think the responses would go - even among Fundamentalist Evangelicals and Pentecostals.

 

You have been reduced to cherry picking two word explanations out of my post because your mind can not deal with the arguments presented.

To suggest that the majority of Christians in this nation believe in talking donkeys - and that God is a xenophobic , flip flopping, genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics - is patent denial of reality - full stop.

Folks believing in such things are an embarrassment to Christianity and sensible Christians

 

To tell the truth I do not know the answer to that. Let me explain, as a brit I have never been exposed to the kind of views I am seeing expressed on this forum. If it was in Britain judging by my experience of the Church of England I would say 100% no. But then again the hatred of atheists is something I have never encountered before or the outright lies of some religious folks on this forum.

 

LOL , , ,
You are the one that was my "fellow Christian"
You sound like Richard Dawkins.
I want nothing to do with you or with your evil version
of Christianity.

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We have an extreme religious right in this nation -While these folks do not represent the majority of Christians in this nation - they do represent a significant minority - and tend to vote as a partisan block - and so are politically powerful.

 

What evil version of Christianity - It is you that believes in the evil version of Christianity and me that is arguing against this position.

It is you that claims to believe that God is a xenophobic - flip flopping - genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics.

It is you that feels the need to believe in talking donkeys - in order to believe in God.

As such - your post is a big exercise in "Projection" is a psychological defense mechanism in which individuals attribute characteristics they find unacceptable in themselves to another person.

 

This evil version of Christianity:

Regarding Giftedone's Evil Version Of Christianity:
My opinion is that you hold liberal theological views. What I meant
by "liberal" is holding theological views that are opposite of
conservative theological views. My opinion is that your views
are theologically Liberal --- or perhaps even out beyond
theological liberalism. I said this was my opinion of your
beliefs. You are free to deny it. Its only my opinion.

The following are not views held by theological conservatives:


"The Trinity is a man made concept - given to us by a
Pagan Emperor for political purposes."___Giftedone

"You say "God Created the Universe" - and had some plan.
I say - God IS the Universe - and everything that is unfolding
is part of God - the good - the bad - and the ugly"___Giftedone


"My God is not too small Unfortunately however - it is many
segments of Christianity - and certainly the Bible - that makes
God small."___Giftedone


"There may be many lesser Gods - as the Bible says - perhaps
one is conducting an experiment on earth and other planets -and
checks in from time to time."___Giftedone

"It is a fact that the Bible - the OT in particular - minimizes God - in
just the way you were describing. Why does this disturb
you ?___Giftedone

"Do you not like the idea that God might be the universe ?
This idea connects to yours directly - you just don't get
the connection."___Giftedone

"If you say God is omnipotent and omniscient - as in "God is
everywhere and is in control of everything" - then God is
the Universe"___Giftedone


"I didn't say that you minimized God - I said that the Bible
minimizes God - and that one of your hypothesis minimizes
God"___Giftedone

"If you reduce God to a Person - you are minimizing God. When
you add in human characteristics and emotions - many of which
are nasty - you reduce God further. I call this "putting God in
a box" - and that is what all religions do"___Giftedone

"If you reduce god to a Person"___Giftedone

Also my view is that Giftedone believes that the "vast majority"
of Christians do NOT believe that the entire Bible is the word of
God. And my view is that Giftedone desires it to be this way.

______________

"I am no Liberal"___Giftedone
Heh heh, all that up there is Conservative NOT.

False.

Sounds like your "good buddy" Richard Dawkins

How do you know that God did not perform a miracle
in the instance of Balaam's donkey in Numbers 22, so
that Balaam heard what he thought was the donkey
talking. Maybe God has a sense of humor and took
that opportunity to express His sense of humor. You
don't know that He did not do that.

Yeah you're one to talk about "projection" LOL
You project your evil and absurd views of Christianity
on others. What happened to you? Did you pray to
God for a pony when you were young and He said No
and so you decided to post like a "Christian Richard
Dawkins" type? Is that what happened?

I want nothing to do with your "Christianity."

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"You say "God Created the Universe" - and had some plan.
I say - God IS the Universe - and everything that is unfolding
is part of God - the good - the bad - and the ugly"___Giftedone


"The Trinity is a man made concept - given to us by a
Pagan Emperor for political purposes."___Giftedone


"There may be many lesser Gods - as the Bible says - perhaps
one is conducting an experiment on earth and other planets -and
checks in from time to time."___Giftedone


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LOL
Here is some examples of the "arguments presented."

"The Trinity is a man made concept - given to us by a
Pagan Emperor for political purposes."___Giftedone

"You say "God Created the Universe" - and had some plan.
I say - God IS the Universe - and everything that is unfolding
is part of God - the good - the bad - and the ugly"___Giftedone


"My God is not too small Unfortunately however - it is many
segments of Christianity - and certainly the Bible - that makes
God small."___Giftedone


"There may be many lesser Gods - as the Bible says - perhaps
one is conducting an experiment on earth and other planets -and
checks in from time to time."___Giftedone

"It is a fact that the Bible - the OT in particular - minimizes God - in
just the way you were describing. Why does this disturb
you ?___Giftedone

"Do you not like the idea that God might be the universe ?
This idea connects to yours directly - you just don't get
the connection."___Giftedone

"If you say God is omnipotent and omniscient - as in "God is
everywhere and is in control of everything" - then God is
the Universe"___Giftedone


"I didn't say that you minimized God - I said that the Bible
minimizes God - and that one of your hypothesis minimizes
God"___Giftedone

"If you reduce God to a Person - you are minimizing God. When
you add in human characteristics and emotions - many of which
are nasty - you reduce God further. I call this "putting God in
a box" - and that is what all religions do"___Giftedone

"If you reduce god to a Person"___Giftedone

Also my view is that Giftedone believes that the "vast majority"
of Christians do NOT believe that the entire Bible is the word of
God. And my view is that Giftedone desires it to be this way.


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JET3534 Accusing Me Of Being A Troll
"I think trolling is a better explanation."___JET3534 {in this thread}

JET3534 Talking About Christians
"And they are so smug and in your face about their claimed
superiority, i.e., the superiority of ignorance."___JET3534 {in this thread}

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Yeah well we've got an extreme Liberal Left in this
country too. They are called the Democratic Party
and they have put together a base that is kooky
and very very dangerous as you are now seeing
in the streets of America and in several of America's
major cities. A significant number of the Democratic
Party's kooky base will kill you or burn down your
store if you do not "bow down" to their personal
understanding of "social justice" and "human
rights."

Regarding voting:
You'd better pray to your god{s} {eg Sec-y Hum-y}
that these kooks do not manage to gain total
control of the Democratic Party and somehow
manage to get control of this country America
and get themselves, via their leaders, voted into
political power. These people are dangerous
to your physical safety. They have already done
untold billions of dollars in damage to this
infrastructure and to this economy. And they
are still "on the march" and 99.5% of our
national leaders are all scared to death of
standing up to them --- scared to death of
being called a racist or a nativist or a nationalist

You have much more to worry about than the
"religious right" --- you'd better worry about the
Liberal Loony Left --- a lot of them don't even
try to hide the fact that they want to kill you
because you're "not one of Them."

__________


Just for the record I am NOT one that wants to
see the Christian moral code codified into law.
I do not believe that the Christian moral
code can be codified and enforced without
a police state.

My view , , ,
Biblical Christianity advances not through the courts
but through the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit
working through the power of the simple gospel message
to convert sinners to faith in the Lord Jesus as their Savior.


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If Timothy had only the Tanakh to read, how could he have known about salvation through Jesus. Jesus is not mentioned in the Tanakh. The Tanakh was written for Jews, by Jews. Christian references are simply scriptures/prophecies taken out of context. Why would anyone foretell the coming of someone 7 centuries ahead? Prophecies, if you believe in them, are simply relevant to the time. Someone once said that all prophecies, given time, will come true. And so it is.

 

If you wish to believe that God is a xenophobic - flip flopping - genocidal maniac with the most petty of human characteristics and emotions - that is your choice.

I do claim that this is an evil version of God that you claim to believe in. This does not make my version of Christianity Evil. You are desperately confused.

Thank you for reproducing my previous posts to you - showing how consistent my position has been.

Not only do you reduce God to a Person - you have reduced God to a particularly nasty and evil person. I referred to this previously as "Putting God in a Box".

It is true that most Christians - around the globe do not believe in talking donkeys.

We don't know that God does not intervene directly from time to time. Basing ones faith on "You can't prove otherwise" is a foolish faith.

Jesus says to build one's foundation on Rock Matt 7 - basing one's beliefs on fallacious gibberish you have done.

You are the one who believes that God is some xenophobic - flip flopping - genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics.

This is not an absurd anything - it is just a statement of fact. These are your self professed beliefs . I have not projected any absurd view of Christianity on you ... this is the version of Christianity that you have claimed for yourself.

You don't like what you see and so you are desperately trying to avoid looking in the mirror - instead projecting on to others the flaws that you possess.

 

Your views no longer interest me.
My view is that your posts are befuddled and that you post heresy.
My view is that you love Richard Dawkins fervently. .
My view is that you post fallacious gibberish.
You don't know what I believe.
You don't even know what you believe.
You're all over the place with gibberish and utter theological nonsense.
You hold an evil absurd interpretation of Christianity.
Your views are unorthodox heresy.
Your views are theological liberal and far left liberal too.
You know nothing about me looking in a mirror.
You are projecting on to others the flaws you possess.
A convincing Yoda you are not.
"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you, it will.”. – Yoda.

Liberal Theological Heresy:
"The Trinity is a man made concept - given to us by a
Pagan Emperor for political purposes."___Giftedone

"You say "God Created the Universe" - and had some plan.
I say - God IS the Universe - and everything that is unfolding
is part of God - the good - the bad - and the ugly"___Giftedone

Best

JAG

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My understanding is the Tanakh was the Law and the Prophets
which was Genesis to Malachi. Those books contain a lot
of references to the Lord Jesus eg Isaiah chapter 53 and there
are other passages also. Genesis to Malachi contained enough
truth for Timothy to believe in God and live a good life and be saved
just like all the other Old Testament believers were saved. When the
Lord Jesus founded His Christian Church then the Christian message
was added to the Tanaka. The Apostle Paul was the one that wrote
2 Timothy to Timothy, and Paul was the one that took the young Timothy
"under his wing" so to speak and taught him the doctrines of Christianity.

 

Jesus is not mentioned in the OT - and Paul did not write Timothy according Biblical Scholars - hence why the Pastorals are called "Pseudepigrapha"

 

I will not waste my time with either of one of you.
There are 2 or 3 more here that are on my Mental Ignore List
Henceforth you and Giftedone are on my Mental Ignore List..
I have discovered what you are.
Your posts are unworthy of consideration.
I want nothing to do with you.
I do not want to talk to you.
i have zero respect for your views and positions.
I have zero respect for any of your posts.
Repeat: Henceforth you and Giftedone are on my Mental Ignore List.
I will no longer read your posts but will scroll past them.


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Oh dear, are you going to take your ball home, how very christian of you!

 

Yes - home to stick head deep in the sandbox of denial. This reaction is common to those under the haze of sophisticated mind control techniques.

The adherent is told that if they "Question" or "Disbelieve" certain tenets of some religious text - the worst thing the mind can imagine will happen to them - eternal torture in the afterlife.

This fear gets lodged deep into the subconscious of the adherent. Later on when the adherent comes across information that conflicts with cult dogma - a fear response is triggered and the adherent will try to avoid the "Bad Thought" - thought which might lead them to eternal torture.

A skilled cult leader will try to ramp up the fear factor - this is done by creating a "black vs white" "good vs evil" "God vs Devil" paradigm.
Cult doctrine is "Good" anything that conflicts with cult doctrine is "Evil" Adherents are taught to demonize anyone who does not agree with cult doctrine and these people are outcast and (part of the preparation for killing in the name of God) dehumanized.

Those who question or disbelieve are "under the influence of Satan"

The fear factor is further ramped up with apocalyptic narrative. "There is a war between the principalities " and this war is happening right now - and right here on Earth. The battle is for your soul and you mush act now. This creates a sense of urgency.

This is a very simplified explanation of how sophisticated mind control techniques work. What are called "Thought Stopping Techniques" are a very important feature of sophisticated mind control.

 

I also think that their god and religion is so much part of their personality that they take any criticism of their god as a personal attack. Hence the incredible insults we have seen in this thread, they feel so scared that they will simply lose themselves.

 

Which is funny - because all I did was state what follows from the belief that every solitary thing in the Bible is the literal word of God.

The YHWH God commands the Israelite's "Children are not to be killed for the sins of their parents" - Good rule - part of the Rule of Law that we have today - one person is not to be punished for the actions of another.

This same God then turns around and commands Israelite's to kill entire towns - women - children - everyone.. and not just enemy towns, but Israelite towns - should just a few people in the town be found to be worshiping other Gods.

Hence the "flip flopping genocidal maniac" comment (this is an artifact of the Bible being put together from different perspectives/ sources - Priestly - Deut - Jahwist and one other)

Then compare this God to the "Love Neighbor as self" - Turn other Cheek God of the NT. It is not like this went unnoticed - the Gnostics for example believed that the God who created earth was a Demiurge - while the big Good God was - the Godhead - the Demiurge being one emanation - but a God unto itself.

It makes sense that folks would posit different Gods.

but I digress - The literalist can not deal with the reality of the Bible - and so will try to avoid the "Bad Thought" via demonization of the messenger and other tactics.

The Fundamentalist Pentacostals and Evangelicals are rather far along down the sophisticated mind control scale - more so than the mainstream denominations . Catholic, Orthodox (which make up the majority of Christianity) along with - Lutheran and other non Fundamentalist Protestant denonminations.

 

There are references to Jesus in the OT? That's all Christian misinterpretation of the OT. The writers of Matthew and Luke's Gospels wrote Nativity stories that are contradictory, go against the laws of the time, Jewish religious laws and Roman Laws. Matthew uses OT prophecies out of context. For example He claims Jesus was taken to Egypt using Hosea 11:1. This is reference to Israel - not Jesus. If you include Jesus then look at the rest of the chapter. Is that Jesus? Why would Luke send Joseph to Bethlehem when his business was in Nazareth - the reason for the census being on businesses. Besides, David had been dead 1000 years and Bethlehem had changed greatly, including the exile of many of its people, many who didn't return, finding Babylon the place to settle. There was no need for any woman to go with her husband anyway, and Mary, being pregnant had special dispensation to stay at home, as did women who were weaning children. The Bible doesn't say the 'anointed one' would be born in Bethlehem - just come from there. There was no massacre of the Innocents. It was a reference to Rachel weeping for her children in Egypt. Their genealogies for Jesus go back to Abraham and Adam. Unfortunately they miss out at least 11 generations of the people in Egypt. So how do we know Jesus was related that far back. Unless, of course, the Bible is wrong and the Israelites were never in Egypt - which happens to be true. There are other so-called references to Jesus that are simply Christian teaching. As is also Isaiah '53'. There is no Chapter 53. The book of Isaiah - and the other books - was written as one book about Israel. Chapters and verses were only inserted around the 13th century CE and used first in the next century.
The OT was written by the Jews, for the Jews. It was never intended for Gentiles. That's why Jesus regularly used the OT in parables that the disciples knew. And yes, the disciples were able to read and write. They were taught the OT from the age of 5 through to the age of adulthood - 13. That's one reason the Jewish Preacher confounded the Priests in the Temple. Jesus was a first class 'student'. Jesus believed the Tanakh to be true because that was the indoctrination he had received. The Church had 1400 years in which to indoctrinate its followers. Luther helped to ease that and in the last few centuries we have been able to seek for ourselves.
The Christian message was never added to the Tanakh. They are 2 completely separate books. There are several centuries missing from most Bibles. Those centuries concern only Israel. The final book written waa that of Daniel, and that details the rise and fall of the Hasmonean Kingdom. NOT some prophesy of Jesus. And the anointed one' that was killed by his enemies was Onias - the anointed High Priest.

 

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