Let's Call Trumpism what it is - American Fascism.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Modus Ponens, Nov 13, 2020.

  1. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    And when FOX News-- which is as mainstream (ratings-wise) as any of them-- was giving Geo.W. Bush a big, "helping hand," against Al Gore,
    or promoting the hell out of the Swift Boat Captains' story-- maligning John Kerry-- 4 yrs. later, you were saying what?
    Yes, you were gleeful at your candidate's victory; not up in, "outrage," as you, so genuinely, are now.

    Each station pushes the stories they choose to push, & each has it's own power structure which, like Rupert Murdock, are not above having their own agenda. What to do about it? F' up the country w/ pointless civil discord over something that, Constitutionally (& so legally) is clear as day: that Joe Biden is the President-elect? I don't think so.

    Hey, any time you seriously want to push for legislation that could, w/o infringing on the freedom of the press, keep, "news," programs shooting straight, I'm right there with you, buddy. But you realize that would be for ALL news outlets, right? No exclusions for the NY Post or Faux News. Speaking of which, what was the word about both our Presidential candidates, in the run-up to the election, over there on FOX? "Fair & Balanced," is not synonymous, BTW, with whatever viewpoint you agree with. But that doesn't bother you, since Biden won. And it wouldn't be bothering you had Trump won.

    So why, I wonder, would anyone contend that the news media's catering to the perspectives of, each outlet's own, respective audience's political demographic, should impugn the validity of the election (sometimes-- when that "anyone" doesn't like the result).

    Where is Eleuthera, with her dictionary. I need her to look up
    HYPOCRITE.

     
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    Modus Ponens Well-Known Member

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    Typical, dime-a-dozen, Trump dupe. I could cut-and-paste this "think for yourself" screed (that only ends in shilling for an Authoritarian Demagogue) from half the keyboard-warriors on the Internet. If this is what passes for critical thinking these days, the democracy does not deserve to survive.
     
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    Lots of people make fun of the idea that they should actually operate their own minds, and think for themselves. Print the post, put it up on the wall and tell other people what a stupid idea independent thought is when there are so many willing to do your thinking for you, free.

    Hillary no doubt will consider you a poster child for her philosophy; Biden too.

    I realize it hasn't occurred to you that you just proved what my post said.
     
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    Modus Ponens Well-Known Member

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    I don't recognize that boilerplate that you posted as independent thought. It's just the same old cheap above-it-all sophomore cynicism. And it's just part of the Internet echo-chamber - talk about letting others do your thinking for you. It's the kind of "critical thought" that conspiracy-theorists retail.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course, you don't recognize anything except echos from your own claims.
    Don't try to tell us you understand critical thinking either, unless you are practicing to be a stand-up comic.
     
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    Got it, you are using the old liberal trick of redefining words to suit your purpose. I havn't seen anything xenophobic come from the Trump administration, just loons on the left howling racism at their own shadows. There was nothing fascist about the trump administration, that is just stupid. I have some issues with the trump administration, but they have nothing to do with imaginary fascism and racism. If you are going to criticize him, at least choose something real to complain about.
     
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    Makes not a jot of difference. Every ideologue believes their enemy is 'the enemy of the people'. Trump is just the latest enemy of the people, and is exclusive to your corner of the world. The leader of my country is no Trump, but the ideologues didn't vote for him so he's The Devil.

    The only real enemy of the people is IDEOLOGY.
     
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    Well said, Josh. There's plenty he's done wrong, yet they choose two things he hasn't done.

    It's almost as though they secretly love him, and in order to maintain the appearance of Trump Hatred they have to muster something up.
     
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    Yes, because Obama was beatified. He has brown skin, ya know.
     
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    That's how ideologues roll.

    Doesn't need religion. Or rather, they make politics their religion.
     
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    Funny, given the nonsense you posted in the OP.
    There's no rational basis for your claim the trump administration is xenophobic - having an irrational fear of foreign things and people - or authoritarian - favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
     
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    Globalism is destroying the planet .. and whatever wisdom and decency is left of remaining intact human cultures. Add in pandemics and we're ****ed.

    It's the least sustainable model of all.
     
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    Um-hah what could be considered enophobic about talking about shithole countries and calling Mexicans murderers and rapists. These qualities didn't turn me against Trump. It was clear to me early on that he wasn't smart enough to be president. His advocacy for torture was a big turn off, and the way he stlffs people who do work for him, also was a big indicator of his character.
     
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    There is an enormous amount of material on this, derived from countless studies over many many years. Those with the largest footprints are overwhelmingly urban. You've made the mistake of assuming that a bigger property somehow means a bigger footprint, but haven't considered the confounder of lifestyles. Urban people travel FAR more than non-urban people, and that alone puts them way ahead. When you factor in greater use of climate control, heat sinks caused by building methods and lack of green space, and heavier reliance on complex infrastructure, etc etc .. urbanites can be said to be responsible for the majority of the damage of any given nation.
     
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    I'm asking if you're a Climate Change denier. Given you're okay with Globalism, I'd have to assume you are.
     
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    So in saying 'sh!thole countries' (plural), what specifically refers to race? And which race, of the multiple countries?

    Also, what specifically about accusing people of crimes is racist, please?
     
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    1) When urban people start taking global warming seriously and give up their recreational travel, 24/7 climate control, concrete, and total dependence on big dirty infrastructure, I will agree we don't need to run to the hills.

    2) Both sides think the other side is morally and intellectually inferior.
     
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    So, basically what AOC is lobbying for. Probably Bernie, too .. to a lesser degree.
     
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    I'm seeing plenty of people argue that a man can be a woman (and vice versa), in order to 'maintain precious belief'. And who think that women earn less than men. And who sincerely believe that thoughts are violence if they're not correct thoughts.
     
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    The wretches are invariably those who've had the safest and most comfortable lives. Those who haven't the first concept of what authoritarianism/socialism/communism etc feel like, and who are only in a position to choose wretchedness because they were lucky enough to have been born in a capitalist democracy.
     
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    And, if your thoughts are not correct, you deserve the violence visited upon you.
     
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    Biden, constitutionally and legally, does not become the President-elect until actually elected.
    This happens in December.
     
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    Where'd you pull that one out of, your ass?
     
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    Someone (maybe several posters) pointed out that you seem to be living in the past.

    This 'cultural threat' is actually where the power lies, in a 21stC democracy. Govts are limited by the machinery of democracy. What has changed is our access to information, and a simultaneous degradation of journalistic integrity. The money behind politics has been working the 'culture' angle for at least a decade, and using all the new and non-conventional tools available. Social Media, Mainstream Media, The Arts, Sport, etc etc. Get it to the people. They know that if you can convince enough people (via careful management of information), you don't need to worry about the politics.
     
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    A four year LARPing adventure for bored middle class white kids :p
     

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