Yup, another indictment.

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  1. Zorro

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    Turley on Trump: "This Is A Free Speech Killing Indictment," Dems Are Reaching The Line With The American Public

    'TURLEY: This is a free speech killing indictment. There's no way around it. I write a great deal in academia in the free-speech area and I rarely seen a more chilling filing by the Department of Justice. The question that people have to ask themselves is, when is the price too high? People are obviously enraged, but what is the price too high to bag Donald Trump? This indictment is that prohibitive cost. Meaning, what they are attempting to do is criminalize what they consider to be disinformation.'

    'this indictment is really sad moment for me. I hoped that if Smith is going to indict on January 6th, that he would find unassailable evidence and unquestioned legal authority. He has neither in this indictment...'

    It's election fixing garbage designed to compete with the horrific Devon Archer revelations that more completely confirm that Biden was on the take.

    'This is a speaking indictment but it doesn't say very much. It basically just says that we think Trump is lying that he actually didn't believe this. I can't tell you how faciously ridiculous this claim is. It starts up by saying, of course, you can say false things in the campaign, but then says that Trump knew they were false. Is that the test going forward in terms of criminalizing political speech?'

    They don't expect the charges to stick, its all about trying to control the Devon Archer News Cycle.

    'Smith is just not only going to have to just bulldoze through the First Amendment, he's going to have to bulldoze through a line of cases by the Supreme Court...'
     
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    Actually, we have Trump's own words on video describing how he tried to use his authority as President to try and pressure VP Pence into abandoning
    his Constitutionally mandated role in certifying the Electoral vote in the peaceful exchange of power outline in said Constitution. No hearsay, no conjecture.
    The Rule of Law at its Best.
     
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    Smith did not charge Trump for HIS WORDS. Smith charged him for his actions. Trump tried to use his authority as President to pressure
    VP Pence into abandoning his Constitutionally mandated role in certifying the Elector vote to finish the peaceful transfer of power outlined
    in said Constitution. Pence will be witness number one in the case. Trump's own recorded words will be witness number two.
     
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    Trump had a different opinion on Pence's role, and both Trump's view and Pence's view can be derived from the 12th amendment.

    Pence's view isn't determinative. Our Constitution, and lengthy Court Decisions, do not support indictments for different views. Turley is right, these clowns are still trying to criminalize viewpoints that the disagree with.

    We understand that it was a rigged election and Trump protested it. We also know that Biden is the most corrupt man to ever hold the office and that he only holds the office because of an election rigged by the CIA and FBI. And now the DOJ is desperately trying to rig 2024, and it's not going well for them.

    'Americans are reaching a line with the American people and they are not buying the White House's messaging on Hunter Biden's legal troubles.'

    'I think what happened with Representative Goldman is that he looked ridiculous. He looked ridiculous in denying the obvious. Obviously, you're not going to sit at Cafe Milano and ask the vice president to ice-pick a prosecutor in Ukraine wedge as your order breadsticks.'

    'The whole point of the call was to establish the deliverables for Hunter Biden. He could deliver, he was a phone call away from his father. The way influence-peddling occurs is you don't do this by committee, the fact is, you show you have access that things can be done. So the Democrats are really reaching that line with I think particularly the American public, they're not buying it. The polls show they show this is very serious corruption scandal. And indeed it is. It may be the most serious corruption scandal in my lifetime to come out of Washington D.C. and that's saying a lot in this city.'

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...aching_the_line_with_the_american_public.html
     
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    This is another indictment showing he is unfit for office. I expect he will be convicted on at least some of these charges.

    Convictions won’t prevent his supporters from voting for him.
     
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    Aaaaannnnnnddddd you know this how? But we will see when the jury sits and reviews the case
     
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    Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances
    expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of
    Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, Navy,
    Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force as a posse
    comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be
    fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
    two years, or both.
    18 U.S.C. § 1385 (as amended)

    and?
     
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    Which is why this will be determined in a court of law
     
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    Prove that please!
     
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    That is correct and this is why apparently that was not included - it is a first amendment right to question but what is not is, after cases have been thrown out in court, act in a manner to overthrow an election
     
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    He did more than question it. This is why he is not being indicted on what he said but what he did I.e the “fake electors” scheme
     
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    I'm embarrassed for you.

    We're not here to do your work.

    Read up like the rest of us are doing.
     
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    Good work on incoroporating 'corrupt system's and 'banana Republic' into your reply, but it ain't a proper knee-jerk MAGA reaction without also including references to the global cabal led by George Soros, the deep state, Marxism, and then diverting swiftly to obsessing over Hunter Biden dick pics.

    Id be safe in guessing you haven't read the indictment?
     
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    Maybe even tapes…oh Lordy I hope there are tapes lol
     
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    Trump defenders appear to be choosing ONE man over democracy, the constitution, and the law.

    Only in voluntary authoritarian states does this happen. It would suggest t6hat his defenders are ready for a more authoritarian regme. Trump already promised , that if elected, he will expand the powers of the Prez. That is the big red flag , if anyone is paying attention.He plans to consolidate power .
    What he has done so far is probably a mere sample of what he is capable of should he get re elected.
    Defending him is enabling him and not the law.
     
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    Not sure it will help... as once the bought into Trump's LIES..... they forgot how to fact check his statements. but then they take him at face value........a very risky thing to do.
    The media coverage of this incitement has been quite thorough, but it all depends on where folks get their information.
     
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    That sounds out of touch with reality. This is about holding someone accountable for his actions that have been a THREAT to DEMOCRACY.

    It is really not that complicated.
     
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    Mark Levin is a pompous ass.

    FYI, in any URL, you don't need to post the gobbledygook past the ? which appears right after ".html" for example:

    blah.com/blah.html?oihensdlijoihlesfjsdksdlkj

    The jibberish following the question mark, including the mark, can be removed. All that jibberish does is tell the webserver who/what the referrer was and maybe more about you than you want them to know.

    See what I did to your link? It still works.
     
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    It’s simply the reality.
     
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    No you don’t. Yo simply have misrepresentation
     
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    Apparently Turley didn't read the indictment, it clearly eliminates the 'first amendment free speech' issue.

    It's not about free speech, it's about unlawfully attempting to overturn the election.

    Hunter Biden didn't peddle access, that is something he alluded to, but never could deliver on it. He sold 'illusion of access', which is unseemly, but not illegal.

    I started a thread on that very point, go check it out.
     
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    Let's talk about reality vs opinion.

    The indictment is reality. What you said in your post isn't. It's a cartoonish, half-arsed opinion that doesn't even have any facts to back it up.

    Just summing it up in a few easy to grasp words. Your opinion is not reality. Banana Republic. What next? Complaining that you're living in a totalitarian hellhole where your freedums have been stolen from you?
     
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    The indictment is based on opinion, not an ounce of objective fact in them. That is objectively banana republic material.
     
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    Do you understand what a fact is? I suspect if I spend time posting a bunch of facts from the indictment that you'll ignore them because your opinions are apparently facts and anything you don't like is opinion.

    I'll repeat it again. The indictment is a fact. It exists. It's a fact that contains facts and information supporting the charges.

    I think you might find the following clip a learning moment. I think it should be simple enough to follow.

     
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