Romney in Iowa: 'Corporations are people'

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  1. Libhater

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    But you can't say that our government is 'people'. If we the people had complete discretion over how our tax monies were allocated--then maybe then we could call the government a representation of the 'people', but we don't. Whereas, we the 'people' who freely work and enjoy the benefits of a business or of a corporation have complete discretion over our lives, and over how our monies are allocated. Profits from our businesses and or corporations are further invested in business and in the workers to grow through the company. Tell me or show me how we as individual citizens get to grow or prosper under the tutelage and confiscatory policies of an ever burgeoning socialistic government. With businesses and corporations we the people decide our own futures without waiting on the evolving caprices of a legislative body to determine our fate(s).
     
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    NO! Not at all. That is not what I am saying and I listened to that debate and that is not what Mr. Romney was saying either. He said "corporations are people". Is that correct? I agree with that statement.

    The armed services are people.

    The air lines are people.

    Churches are people.

    Instead of just emoting, try thinking statements through.
     
  3. highway234

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    yeah, until the corporation starts dumping dioxins in a river upstream of your local water treatment plant, it gets in your water supply and your kids get cancer. suddenly the corporation stops being like a person cuz if YOU did that, you'd get thrown in jail. the corporation gets fined at most. but yeah, it's true you and your family do still get to enjoy the carcinogenic benefits of all those yummy pollutants.
     
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    The Supreme court did not determine a corporation is a person. Thats the point, lemme know how that works out for ya.
     
  5. Libhater

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    Why are you sidestepping the issue? You're bringing up a side bar issue concerning regulations etc. Stick to the topic at hand. Do you have more faith by lackeying up to government or in having complete freedom as an individual by working in a business/corporation?
     
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    No it isn't - and knowledge of this obviously resides in some corner of your sub-simian consciousness, which is why you don't dare to say how a fictional entity can pay out real money.
    As is always the case with leftards, you believe a great may things that a reasonably intelligent 5 year old wouldn't fall for.

    Not really, because in a constitutional republic the government is a vassal of the People. A country, OTOH, is a sovereign entity, and under the US Constitution a state is a quasi-sovereign entity; wherefore either may be reasonably compared to a corporation in the sense that all are entities created by people as a means of protecting and exercising their rights.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    What does that have to do with anything. Who or what do you think makes up corporations?
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    If the individual committed a crime they go to jail.
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    And it is still made up of people, without them it does not exist.
     
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    So now "Rights" have to be bought rather than being inherent?

    Then they aren't Rights.
     
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    The doctrine of class warfare demands that corporations be seen as soul sucking machinations. A faceless threat to humanity and the oppressor of the worker. What they fail to realize is that targeting and destroying corporations, as it appears their goal is, will leave millions of people unemployed, the economy in greater shambles, and turn all the hate such would produce against the liberals as people would quickly realize what the real threat to humanity and our way of life actually is the liberals and their failed ideology.
     
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    Corporations are owned by people. Many of them are old retired people who depend of dividends from those corporations to buy food, pay their car payments and take trips to what is left of Europe.

    Just about every retirement fund is invested on stocks. Hurt the corporations and you hurt the retirement funds. Do you liberal fools think that the CEOs are going to cut their own pay to pay higher taxes or trim the divined payments to the retirement funds?
     
  13. The Mello Guy

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    you mean like funding or aiding a criminal operation?
     
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    guess share holders only have a vote when it suits the argument
     
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    I think I was perfectly clear.
     
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    Why don't share holders go to jail when a Corp commits a crime? Are they part of that corporate person only when it's convenient?
     
  17. Bluesguy

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    Perhaps you should go read up on corporate law and educate yourself.

    On the meantime is there some point you are trying to make, I have no reason to believe you know more about corporations than Romney.
     
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    You've got the quotes inaccurately posted.
     
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    This is such dumbarse logic. A machine is owned, operated and started by people. This is a machine too?
     
  20. Leffe

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    A corporation has no empathy, not sympathy. It is beholden simply to the stockmarket, it has no morals and cannot be considered a "person" in any way at all.

    This is a partisan argument plain and simple. This is crystal clear. I'm embarassed for you - which is another emotion which a company can never have.
     
  21. Leffe

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    If jesus could hear this logic he would laugh.

    What does the bible say? God created companies in his own image? Errrrr. Duuuurrrr.

    Ironic that the right is generally christian and this is clearly not what god said. God made man in his own image. Full stop.
     
  22. Dispondent

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    Do tell what happens when you rid the world of those pesky corporations? Who is going to be mass producing items to keep them affordable? What logistics operations are going to be used to keep the price affordable after its produced? The very concept of demonizing corporations, is quite stupid, but then again, Marxism is nothing more than attempt to perfect stupid, so this should be expected.
     
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    trying to question the idea that corporations are people isn't "demonizing" them. this is so transparent.
     
  24. dairyair

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    Who said anything about getting rid of corps. Just don't treat them as an emotional, living, breathing, thoughtful human being. A corp is a legal term for a business to operate within guidelines. That is IT!
     
  25. The Mello Guy

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    who said we should get rid of corporations? straman much?
     

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