‘Evil and wicked’: At least 50 killed in Nigeria church attack

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    You sourced something that only lasted for 54 years. And now you claim it went on for centuries, but where is the link?
     
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    I'm afraid you'll have to read the book. Danubia, p. 105:

    ". . .The third element in Graz's 1480 martyrdom is a Turkish raid. and little figures are shown in a slave-pen prior to being strung together in lines and led back into Ottoman territory, the fate of hundreds of thousands of Germans, Croats and Hungarians. . . ."
     
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    Danubia by Simon Winder, 2013, p. 105:

    ". . .The third element in Graz's 1480 martyrdom is a Turkish raid. And little figures are shown in a slave-pen prior to being strung together in lines and led back into Ottoman territory, the fate of hundreds of thousands of Germans, Croats and Hungarians. . . ."
     
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    You're not even pretending to quote how 10.000's were forced to become Muslims.
     
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    Hundreds of thousands were enslaved. Do the math.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    That is the Muslims view. And the gods described in the original written doctrines are very different.
     
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    nope, they all three believe in the Jewish God, that is just fact

    God in the Christian text did change some from the Jewish text, I agree - but still the same God
     
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    In 2010 before the civil war there were 10% Christians. Now-

    Of the 1.5 million Christians who lived in the country prior to the war, it is estimated that only approximately one-third of them – or approximately 450,000 – remain.
     
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    ????? It doesnt even contradict my "Islamic doctrine led to Islamic Caliphates ruling much of the Islamic world from 632 until 1928."

    "Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. ...
    This religion is really a universal declaration of the freedom of man from servitude to other men and from servitude to his own desires, which is also a form of human servitude; it is a declaration that sovereignty belongs to God alone and that He is the Lord of all the worlds. It means a challenge to all kinds and forms of systems which are based on the concept of the sovereignty of man; in other words, where man has usurped the Divine attribute." Qutb

    Motto of the Muslim brotherhood

    “Allah is our objective; the Qur’an is the Constitution; the Prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; death for the sake of Allah is our wish.”
     
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    Well, as an atheist Id have to disagree with your version of what is "fact". And the original doctrines of the three religions portray very different gods. AND most Jews and Christians would disagree with your facts. And most Muslims believe that the Jews and Christians worshipped the same god in the 7th century but long ago ceased doing so
     
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    nope, they are all based on the Jewish God, they are all middle eastern Abrahamic religions - that is just fact

    now did Jesus ever go by the name 'Jesus' in real life, no, we renamed Jesus to make him sound more English, same with the other characters in the bible

    but by your logic, the bible is talking about 3 different Jesus characters as they each had different last words - which of course means they can't be the same guy they are describing, right?

    Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

    Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

    John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
     
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    I can only judge this that you agree that Muslims didn't convert people by the sword unlike the Christians did. You failed to prove it and so you're now moving to goalpost to a different subject.
     
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    Nope. Muslims commonly converted conquered people by the sword, as I have shown and as all but propagandists concede.
     
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    Youre not contradicting me.
     
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    And so? Christians lived for well over a 1000 years among the Muslims.
    And not just Christians but millions of Muslims too fled because of a war.
    While all Muslims and Jews fled for their lives when the Christians took over Spain.
     
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    False.

    Islam is dramatically different from Christianity and Judaism and is not based on either. Allah refers to the Moon, hence the crescent moon in their symbology. In addition, Mohammed was completely illiterate and was unable to read the Biblical sources much less base a religion on them.

    Islam has as much to do with Christians and Jews as Nazism has to do with Navaho Culture. Just because Nazis and Navahos used swastikas doesn't mean there is any similarity between the two.

    The idea that the God of the Bible is the same as Allah is promoted by self-serving morons like George W. Bush who would say anything to kowtow to the Muslims to get their oil.
    Also false. Biblically, there is no difference between the God of the Christians and the God of the Jewish text. From the writer's perspective, there is no difference. In later centuries, the Roman Imperial Church added the Trinity through imperial edicts. Although many traditions were cast off by the Protestants in the Reformation, the Protestants kept most of the Trinity tradition when the Reformation abruptly ended after John Calvin started killing people for disagreeing with him.
     
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    I replied to you ... accusing you of making it up that it was some violent jihad causing Islam spread from Spain to Afghanistan.
    I'm not seeing you come up with a source or anything.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Mottos
     
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    well, they are myths, but was fact that they were all based on the Jewish God story character, maybe we are saying the same thing
     
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    all three religions believe in the Jewish God

    but yes, Muslims and Christians changed him a bit, like a child growing into an adult in a story, but still the same character in both stories
     
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    If you're just going to post thing like a mantra copied from CNN, discussion is useless.
     
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    I post the truth, do you fear the truth?
     
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    You're posting mantra's. Like this:

    Expect nothing and appreciate everything.
    Expect nothing and appreciate everything.
    Expect nothing and appreciate everything.
    Expect nothing and appreciate everything.
    Expect nothing and appreciate everything.
    Expect nothing and appreciate everything.
    Expect nothing and appreciate everything.
    Expect nothing and appreciate everything.
    Expect nothing and appreciate everything.

    One can't discuss things with a mantra and while the person repeating the mantra may truly believe it and think it's the truth, repeating the mantra again does not make it any more or less true. Nor will it convince someone else that it is true. However, the mantra speaker will likely feel self-content by repeating it. They may also enjoy annoying others by repeating it.

    In order to have a discussion, people actually have to actually read and respond to what is said - not just repeat the same mantra they said before.
     
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    seems that is what your doing to me...

    if one can't deal with the truth, what else is their to discuss

    the Christians and Muslims religions are both a part 2 of the Jewish religion... thus refer to the same God

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    I asked you to source it, and you could not.
    While you know I am able to source the contrary.
    So you are conceding that it aint true that way.
     
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    Nope.
     

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