“House approves statehood for DC in 232-180 vote“

how do you think it is? what did he say that was wrong?

 

fyi dc is not a metropolis. the area around it is...which highlights the concerns of madison

 

Oh and what did I get wrong?

 

You have not projected that to doday in ANY argument you have made.

Federalist 43 shows what they were concerned about.

It does NOT indicate whether their concerns should have ANY bearing on allowing representation for DC residents today.

 

The poster ignored how DC decisions on budget, taxation, economic investment, transportation, education, etc., are affected by the federal government in ways that are NOT the case for states.

In other words, NONE of elements central to this topic were addressed .

OR, the poster just doesn't know how DC is governed - which I Ithought was more charitable that accusing the poster of purposeful acts of misdirection.

 

That the US is a democracy, and thus, the majority should always rule.
This is not the case, and ha never been the case, in the US.

You may not like the fact WY has the same representation on the senate as CA - but to change this, you'll need to amend the constitution.
Note that the 13 states most likely to vote no on this contain about 7% of the population.

 

And thus, we see the real purpose for your support in making DC state - not so the people there may be represented in the house and senate,, but so the Democrats get 2 more seats in the senate.
Thank you.

 

The states very much have equal representation, as do the people..

 

No, this is just false.

The major population of DC is part of a surrounding metro area of millions of people.

Again, the CONCERNS of Madison are important to look at. But, it is NOT the case that all Madison's concerns turned out be be significant (or even relevant) 150 years later.

The status of DC has to be justified on the basis of reality - not on the basis of ancient fears.

AND, let's remember that the MAJOR concerns of Madison had to do with having a government that is of the people, by the people and for the people. It was about taxation without representation. It was about people residing in states and having authority in important areas where not even the federal government can dictate.

DC breaks ALL Madison's most fundamental beliefs - the beliefs that sent us to war against England, the beliefs our founders risked their lives, their familes, their wealth and that of every colonialist to uphold.

 

Bull.

Republicans on this board are the ones that have consistently brough up the PURE PARTISAN argument.

Pointing that out, pointing to how invalid that argument is - that can not possibly be construed as AGREEING with that argument.

 

Yes, and the American citizens of DC have every reason to demand equal reperesentation and self determination.

 

You avoided all facts of DC government that pertain to the topic of this thread.

 

no, there is a reason the richest counties in america are around DC. The concerns are real and would get worse if DC was a state.

 

all those decisions are made by the local govt

 

sure it does. why doesn’t it? do we not have a federal gov anymore?

 

And your opposition to it is for the very same reason.

 

No they dont. You need to read up on the “Great Compromise”.

And if you want to go to the constitution and the “intent” of the framers is was not to give the senate the power they have . Nor did they see the power that gerrymandering creates.

 

There is absolutely ZERO indication that being a state would affect that in any way.

In fact, the federal government would have LESS power over DC were DC a state. And, that would REDUCE the only possible avenue for special interests that exists today by having a House committee make decisions for DC.

 

All of those decisions by DC are subject to confirmation by the US House.

In a state, the STATE makes those decisions - and the federal government doesn't get a say.

 

Your comment here makes no sense.

The question is whether DC can decide for itself those issues that states decide.

And, the fact is that they can NOT. And, the reason is that they are not a state.

Remember the part about how our federal government cedes to the states decision making authority in numerous areas - in fact, in areas not specifically reserved by the federal government?

Well, that doesn't apply to DC. And, the reason is that they are not a state.

 

you said the concerns of the founders didn’t exist still i said of course they do because we still have a federal govt

 

well actually all of congress...but they passed Home Rule legislation some time ago.

of course every other state is a state not a federal district

 

you apparently haven’t read the concerns of our founders

 

“House approves statehood for DC in 232-180 vote“

They don't really think things through. They always do whatever is currently politically expedient.

 

That's a misinterpretation.

The point is that there is no justification in denying representation purely on the basis of concerns our founders had.

If those concerns clearly don't apply today (and nobody has claimed they do) then it's time to get on ensuring Americans have representation - full and equal repreentation.

If you wants to idenify a concern with making DC a state, then state that concern.