10% of the population has an IQ lower than 83, what this means

IQ is a bell curve based on what is not just "considered" to be average, but is actually measured to be average, with 100 being the TDC. It's a relative measurement. Just as there will always be a lowest 10% of income earners based on simple math, so also will there also be a lowest 10% if IQs, for the same reason. Now, we might find 100 years from now that what qualifies as bottom 10% would count as top 20%, or vice versa, it's not an absolute measurement.

 

Why is a dismal statistic?

if the normal or average IQ is 85 to 100...why would an IQ slightly below average be concerning?

Below average does not mean abnormal.

There is a vast difference between individuals with an IQ of 71 and an individual with 83.

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Individuals with 83 are probably about on the Forrest Gump level.

 

I think there are jobs for high school dropouts who found the high school curriculum too difficult to master, such as factory jobs or street cleaners. It doesn't matter if they don't make it to college to earn a graduate degree as long as they can make a living. In a way, they are lucky, if they can avoid a college experience and cramming for exams. My brother went to a trade school in fashion and he's earning more than average college graduates.

 

Well...a public education system needs to take all those things in consideration. A public education system needs clear goals which we do not have today? Without goals how can we design something in which the future is better than the past? If we know all kids are different then why do we create an education system that assumes they are all the same?

 

economics...the best teaching is done 1 to 1 teacher student ratio, to give the student the required specific attention...but that's not practical or economical, so we have an ideal classroom size of 1 to 20-25 ...but often due to economics 1 to 30-40

 

This is only partially correct. We use absolute measures of IQ which are unvaried from the initial IQ tests of the 1920s, such as being able to use three words in a sentence. And we use the American population as the "standard" of 100, unknowing at the time of the creation of IQ that the American IQ was near the top of the food chain internationally, with only the UK, China, and Japan having higher average IQ's. When we measure IQ's internationally, they are almost uniformly well below the US average of 100, so that 100 isn't quite as relative as you think it is.

 

Because liberals run the schools. It's difficult to find a conservative within the school system itself, nearly impossible to find one in administration.

 

Worldwide, something like 50% of the population has an IQ of 85 or less, including nearly all of Africa and most of the middle east. The average IQ in 1.5 billion strong India is 85, meaning 750 million Indians are essentially useless. Just in case you thought that 16% number was dismal.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/keldje...what-you-really-need-to-succeed/#37eaab60b6d2

IQ aint everything by a longshot.

 

it's also not fixed(results can change throughout your life) and culturally sensitive, tests are really only effective within a given culture...what common testing ground is there between a western college student and a illiterate amazonian native who has never been exposed to the world outside their jungle home...

people who claim IQ tests are indicative of superiority of one culture over another are badly misinformed...

 

schools are by definition "progressive" they advance knowledge...conservatives reject progress and the pursuit of knowledge, intellectual stagnation (climate change denial, flat earth)...we've only reached the advanced technical and social progress we have because of progressive liberals, not conservative regressives...

if progressives weren't constantly pursuing knowledge we'd still be living in tents...

 

Rubbish. Schools are by definition conservative, they conserve and pass on knowledge from one generation to another. They advance nothing, they create nothing, they do nothing but preserve the past. And by every standard known, schools in America repress and stifle creativity and the search for knowledge. They insist that every student fit into their pre-existing boxes and label everyone who doesn't fit as defective in some way. They even created a problem for smart students, labelling them "hyperlexic" if they learn to read faster than their peers. No one begins to create anything or to advance knowledge until he manages to throw off the shackles of the public education system and starts to think for himself. And guess who thinks for themselves these days? The left? HA! The left is one big hive mind, enforcing orthodoxy at the point of banishment and public humiliation, while it takes real bravery to come out as conservative. It is conservatives who advance knowledge, not the regressive and oppressive left.

 

All three of these claims are blatantly false. IQ is relatively fixed throughout one's life, and pretty much permanently fixed barring accident by around age 18. Culturally insensitive IQ tests have been created by many different IQ testers that are valid across cultures and across language barriers, and have pretty much confirmed what the "culturally biased" IQ tests said in the first place. (Tests designed for American blacks still show that whites score 15 IQ points higher on average than American blacks.) And IQ tests do indeed show that some cultures are far superior to others because the average IQ's of Amazonian tribes and central African tribes show that they are incapable of building an advanced civilization.

 

Well lets keep this simple say John or Jane has on multiple tests and an otherwise good home life and society position not too high or low an IQ of 85 and its clear its that by their ability to work with their mind and various observations. Since we need some guideline for this discussion its pretty clear to me.

What can we do for them in education to get them an independent and employable adult in the current economy with the current trending to more technological savvy needed?

I'm going to say, nothing, they should be placed in school and we can try but at eighteen they should go right onto welfare with Medicare and food stamps with an SSI check since they will never likely get a job but if they manage it fine they can work. But can work on technology to augment brains to get them beefed up.

Your turn.

 

Without education goals how does the government design the system? Are they fine with 20% high school graduation rate? 50%? 80%? High school drop out rates of 20%? 50%? With 25% of the population from Spanish languages, and another 15-20% from misc. non-English origins, I doubt the education system has even figured out how to deal with this? What percent of kids don't have a reasonable home environment conducive to reading and studying and homework? Why is it necessary to teach grades 1-8 and four years of high school...why not 1-6 and 2-3 years of high school...and how about college prep or trade prep? There are no answers to these questions because there are no goals! And I suspect there are no goals because of politics and economics...

 

This statement exemplifies why the USA is so screwed today...

 

Well, obviously, all we need do is remove that unfair and biased association, and correlate it to an American hero like Margaret Sanger. Planned Parenthood has a great PR staff, govt funding, and widespread support from all the elite academians, celebrities, and govt experts.

So I'm sure eugenics, if tried again by the right people, will work, this time.

..just like socialism! It's never worked, in the history of mankind, but we can make it work this time!

 

language barrier is the same everywhere I suspect...my kids jr high had special needs classes just for immigrant kids, they were at a tremendous handicap trying to keep up to their peers..kids don't like being perceived as stupid get discouraged and dropout, their immigrant parents who are also language impaired and even educationally lacking can't help them very much...

imo we are to quick to blame the educational system failings and not address the parental failings(parents never see themselves as part of the problem)...the goals are straight forward and always have been, literacy and the tools to advance to the next level of education...finally enter the work force and continue educational development within the chosen career

with my kids from the time they entered grade school we instilled into them that education was at minimum a 14-16 year process, dropping out was never discussed, it just wasn't an option...the only options discussed were, technical college diploma or Uni degree...my wife and I saw ourselves as part of the educational system by supporting/encouraging our kids, failure or quitting was never an acceptable option for them

 

that's true, three of my kids have Uni degrees(one has two) and my fourth is in now technical college, he'll most likely be making more than his Uni siblings within five years of graduation. I don't know what type of technical schools you have but my son still crams for exams, maybe it's dependent on the coarse taken..

dropping out for a factory job or street cleaning should be left to immigrants as enter level employment

 

socialism is the very basis for all societies, it's why we're the dominant life form on the planet...socialism is the essence of mankind's history...

 

Just a wild ignorant guess here. At what age is 'IQ' tested? I gather how our brains develop, has been changed since the advent of video games and the internet. On video games: https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-brain-differently-depending-on-what-you-play Depending on what game we are exposed to the hippocampus can either shrink or grow, I understand we 'get' visual spatial relationships, multitask, boost decision-making skills, etc even as we lose our attention span,our impulse control, our memory etc. https://mashable.com/2014/03/14/tech-brains-neuroplasticity/#npgDj10ZjgqL

Its also true that the internet offers of greater 'cognitive surplus' by saving time on mundane tasks, that may of an indirect impact by changing the interaction time between adults and children either for the lesser or greater.

 

well I guess your the perfect example of a fixed IQ ...I could suggest you talk to a Neurologist and have him/her explain it but you're apparently convinced you already know everything so that'll never happen.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/memory-medic/201805/no-your-iq-is-not-constant

"A wide range of IQs were noted, 77 to 135 in the early group and 87 to 143 in the late group. For any given individual, the change in IQ score changed from -20 to +23 for verbal IQ and -28- to +17 for non-verbal IQ. Correlation analysis revealed that increases in IQ were associated with increased in cortical density and volume for brain regions involved in verbal and movement functions."

 

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Proof enough that my IQ is far higher than yours. And always was and always will be. I would suggest you look up the research. All of the "proof" that IQ can change relates to children under 18, and typically under 11, and almost nothing from the age of 18-65. And much of the "proof" doesn't rely on IQ scores but on academic grades, which are only correlated with IQ but do not represent a 100% accurate measurement of IQ. One study found that children with a low IQ at age 11 were 35% more likely to be dead by age 79 than those with a high IQ. Another found that many of the recommended ways of raising IQ were in fact correlated with high IQ's and not correlated with increasing IQ, such as higher education, reading, and learning a foreign language. Getting a Ph.D. is correlated with having a high IQ because it takes a high IQ to get a Ph.D., not because studying for a Ph.D. raises one's IQ. Here's an interesting one... it takes a generally high level of intelligence to become a lawyer, and brain size is correlated with IQ... and I noticed as a lawyer that a large number of lawyers have big heads, far higher than in the general population. Get your neurologist to explain how someone's skull gets bigger as he gets smarter.