11-year-old Mississippi boy who called 911-- wait for it-- shot by responding officer:

That wasn't the question. Which is more likely to kill a police officer was the question.

You have also left out the urban factor.

 

Yet still a statistical fact

 

except here's the fly in the ointment: blacks of all income strata and in all housing environments have much higher rates of gun violence than similarly situated whites. There are many many millions of poor whites in urban areas

 

Even among urban populations what I said remains true. This is an unpleasant reality.

 

Um.....you're going to have to prove that one

"The poverty rate for White residents was about half the rate for either Blacks or American Indians at 13.3 percent in rural areas and 9.7 percent in urban settings. Rural Hispanic residents of any race had the third highest poverty rate at 21.7 percent, compared with 16.9 percent in urban areas.Aug 23, 2021

Data show U.S. poverty rates in 2019 higher in rural areas ..."
https://thinktank-inc.org/cope?gcli...2HeY9ZI0dvZ7zlfzsUzTjh1jWNi400oEaAolMEALw_wcB

 

Despite a lower rate we still outnumber them in urban areas by far. If we had the same rate of gun violence or anywhere close to it, the days would be very different. But they aren’t.

 

The uplreasant reality is you didn't answer the question.
Is what you say true? I don't know. I'd ask you to prove it but you never prove anything you say so that would be a waste of time. It also make your statement meaningless.

 

Well since my point is that poverty is the driving force of violent crime (always has been) and the poverty rate is twice as much for blacks the fact that whites outnumber blacks doesn't matter that much since they outnumber them by a higher percentage.

 

duh blacks make up 13% of the population, whites are several times that

 

there are more poor whites than there are blacks of all economic strata. Rich, middle class and poor. yet blacks-almost always black males-cause more than half the murders. 8% of American adults have felony records., 33% of black males do

 

Except it isn’t. Culture is. You dont see the same violent crime rate for poor whites as you do blacks.

 

I gotta ask. From what we currently know, the child was unarmed (thats safe assumption right?), what actio could an unarmed child take that would warrant anyone supporting this action ?

 

No kidding. What did you prove?

 

Your spoouting statistics that don't mean anything.

 

Because they aren't as poor as blacks.
That's been proven here already.

 

you're failing to make a cogent argument . Poverty fails to explain why blacks are far more likely to commit murder than whites, even though whites have a far higher rate of LEGAL gun ownership

 

False. Even among equally poor whites, which exist in greater numbers, you do not see the same violence.

 

What I really would want, is for you to actually read & understand my post, before shooting off an erroneous reply, telling me what I "might want to" do.

This is what you'd quoted:

DEFinning said: ↑
...So either this is happening, also, to 11 year old white boys, and the press is hiding it from us, or there is clearly a systemic over aggressiveness, in policing the black community...*

My attitude, in the part of my post which had led up to the less than a full sentence, you'd quoted, was exactly the same as yours, underlined, above: namely, that the shooting "doesn't seem justified." I do not recall ever saying that there was zero possibility that things might turn out to be different than they now appear, but only voiced my skepticism towards that idea, because if the cop-- and, by extension, the police force-- is being falsely blamed, right now, by most residents of the town, there seems no plausible explanation for the police dept. (or anyone) holding back releasing the body cam video, which is what they have been doing.

So, like you, I have only been talking in terms of appearances, from currently available information. I have not issued any final verdict, with regard to the officer, but only listed possibilities; IOW, my charges have been conditional. And while I have much greater background information, aside from this single incident, for my determination regarding American law enforcement, overall, I had couched even that assessment, as most readers would recognize, in the same way: in terms of two, opposing options.

It is a shame that I had not been able to immediately reply to you, yesterday morning (my screen says you'd posted at 10:44 AM, though I'm guessing those times may be tailored to one's own time zone). If I had, there might have still been an opportunity for you to watch Saturday cartoons, and possibly catch the Scholastic Rock episode, titled "Conjunction Junction," so as to understand the *true meaning of my phrase, which you had quoted-- because of my use of the words "either," and "or."

I will also point out, that none of my phrasings, used the word "kill:" I am pretty sure that I had always spoken in terms of police being overly aggressive, and having less hesitancy in jumping right to using potentially deadly force. So your quoting shooting death numbers, would be inadequate, to dispel my impression. Too bad you didn't quote my reply, to see that. Since your fatal shooting statistics were, then, also not accurately addressing my point, I hope you don't mind if I leave that out, of my own quoting from you.

 

You have already allowed your thinking to unlink from fact. We cannot know who "causes" which percentage of murders, unless we both know of all murders committed, and have convicted all of those culprits. As the majority of murders are never solved, you should understand, if you were striving for accuracy in your words, that you are talking not about "all murders," but about convicted murderers.

To any thoughtful analysis, that concept would also warrant further scrutiny, as to whether racism is at play, in tainting the very figures you are using, to prove your thesis of blacks being more prone to murder, than whites. What percentage of homicides, in which a white person is convicted, have been charged, or pled down to, manslaughter, or some charge other than murder? How does this compare, with cases in which the person sentenced, is black? You are presuming that crimes are pursued & charged, strictly on the evidence of each case, without racial bias, which makes your method an oxymoronic way of comparing racial statistics. You should include all homicides, not just "murders."

And even in that figure, because of the provable difference, that the quality of one's legal representation makes, in the resulting verdicts, is one that is probably greatly skewed, as well. When one uses a lot of racially biased factors, it is hardly surprising that the result will appear to show an inequality, in behavior, based on race.

 

Really?!! Where do you get that information. Equally poor URBAN whites? Which DON'T exist in greater numbers (which is the point I'm making). You're more than welcome to prove your point.

 

So the murder rate is equal in middle and upper class whites and blacks?
What does legal gun ownership have to do with it?

 

if whites were getting acquitted at much higher rates than blacks that might be relevant. but that's not what I saw. BTW the US Attorney at my old office is black, the one under Clinton was black (from 96-01) etc. The fact is, the discrepancy is so pronounced that attempts to explain it in terms of violence doesn't cut it

 

well gun banners say legal gun ownership is a problem. It's not

 

Maybe look at the overall numbers instead of just focusing on personal anecdotes?

 

yeah feel free to do so. BTW about 95% of convictions are due to plea bargains-slightly higher in the system I worked-federal. I think we were getting more than 9 pleas of guilty for each trial. why-at the federal system, the prosecutors and agents generally have put in the work prior to charging a defendant.