13-Year-Old Girl Gets Publicly Shouted Down When She Compares Abortion To Slavery

Okay, so this 'right' is outside of law?

 

How would the women be arrested in Alabama?

 

Of course. We know what the law is.

 

we just saw a women arrested where another women shot her in the stomach and aborted the fetus

 

Not at all. Some of us have other lives and take time to enjoy them. I don't see me giving up on being one of those who defend the "life of the innocent".

I never said a plant was a human. My question is "when is a human cell created?" When does the human cell divide and start growth? What are the stages of that growth?

 

"the life of the innocent" ? This is nonsense phraseology because no one cares about the innocent life of a skin cell being taken when an itch is scratched.

Human cells are created all the time - quite a few were created in your body while you typed the above post.

If we are talking the creation of a new human - the first cell in the body of that human is not the zygote. This is the first cell that contains the DNA that will be the same as DNA of that human - but, not a single cell that will be part of the body/structure of that human has been created.

The first 2-300 cells will form the blastocyst - a hollow sack in which the embryoblast will form. At some point these totipotent cells will start spitting out differentiated and specialized cells. It is these cells that are the first cells of the human structure.

 

In our body are cells that are in the interphase and they copy their own DNA in preparation for mitosis. While they are in this state they accumulate nutrients for growth. Upon conception of the gametes (an Ova - female, and a Sperm - male) they each have 23 chromosome's and if they attach they become haploid cells (46 chromosomes). As they divide they become sematic cells which is the foundation of tissue and eventually organs. The blastocyst is the protective cavity that holds the embryonic stage. It doesn't matter at what stage of development the human child is in that determines weather it is a living organism. Life begins at conception. gametes- haploids- sematic- zygote-embryonic (1 second or 22 weeks? ) It's still a growing human being. JUST BECAUSE IT COMES OUT OF THE WOMB DOES NOT MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO KILL AND ANY TIME BEFORE THAT LEGAL.

 

If the human child does not yet exist - a human child cannot be at any stage of development. You are committing an "assumed premise" fallacy.

In order to claim a human child defacto exists - such that it can develop - you first have to prove that this child exists - and you have not.

 

Your fallacy is that you deny a human child exists until it exits the womb. I wonder at what stage a soul comes into play?

 

I have never said such a thing - and I have committed no such fallacy. You can not add "Strawman" to your list of fallacies - attributing an argument to your opponent that they did not make so you have something to attack

What is a soul ? Define this and only then can we comment intelligently on when this might come into play.

 

No pone has denied a fetus is human...but it is NOT a child until birth. See, there are different words for different things...like an adult is not called a teenager, a teenager isn't called a toddler and a fetus isn't called a child or baby...those are different things.....that's why different words were invented for them...

What's a soul?

Where is it?

What does it look like?

When does it develop in the fetus?

What relevance does it have to a woman's right to her own body?

 

Soul. - the immaterial aspect or essence of a human being. I have never seen or heard the voice of another soul in this plain but have felt the presence of something much greater than myself and the burning sensation of what is known as the Holy Spirt in a different plain. It is like GOD. He either is or he doesn't exist. It has nothing to do with religion but what one believes in his own human being. I do believe the story of when Jesus met John the Baptist he told him "I knew you before you were born".
Just because one cannot prove GOD exists because they never seen him but believe on faith alone; one cannot prove GOD doesn't exist because they have never seen him.

You are right that different words have meaning but I wonder why there are so many references to pregnant woman as "she is with child". The ancients didn't talk about woman with being with fetus or embryo. They talked about "she is with child". Today you often hear the term "we all are God's children". Even when it comes to the border crisis they say " we can't split up families and keep them from their children". The majority of those so called children are teenagers or young adults. If a child evolves into a teenager, is he not still a child but at a different level? So if you say, it is a child at birth, would not be a child 10 seconds before birth?

What relevance does it have too a woman's right to her own body? When a woman becomes "with child" it is part of her own flesh and blood. Her DNA is unique to the whole development of the human being that her and another created. Many believe, it is a gift from GOD, who breaths life and gives it a soul. The fetus attaches itself to the Mother and she becomes the protector and incubator until the child exits the womb and separation from the umbilical cord. If a father punches the mother and causes her to lose the baby they can be charged with murder. In fact some men who have killed woman with child and caused both too lose their life have been charged with both murders. The least crime a woman commits when she has an abortion is accessory to self mutilation. She is exactly destroying something that is a part of herself. The child is not infringing on the mothers right's as the child is a part of the mother.

 

If you can accuse me of an "assumed premise" fallacy I can assume your wrong. What's good for one side is good for the other.

Soul. - the immaterial aspect or essence of a human being.

 

I did not put falsehoods into your mouth - nor did I commit a fallacy. Nor have I made a claim with respect to abortion that I can't back up.

It is a simple fact that you did make a claim - that the zygote is a living human - and gave no rational for why this claim is true.

I could claim the moon is made of green cheese - this does not make this claim true.

I never assumed you were wrong - I just stated the fact you provided no support that shows the claim is true.

It is absurd silliness to show up at a debate and do nothing but repeat your claim over and over. The whole point of a debate is to support that claim - not just expect people to accept that your claim is true.

OK .. so is this immaterial aspect of a human their thoughts ? Can a soul exist without thoughts ?

 

Zygote

A zygote, is a eukaryotic cell formed by a fertilization event between two gametes. The zygote's genome is a combination of the DNA in each gamete, and contains all of the genetic information necessary to form a new individual. In multicellular organisms, the zygote is the earliest developmental stage. Wickipedia

Going to work now. Will get back at you on the rest. Have a good day.

 

That's a truly shocking story I have to say. Unbelievable. Senseless. I certainly condemn her prosecution.

 

Are you saying that it is a right given by law or not?

 

The god stuff belongs in the Religion forum.....it has nothing to do with rights.

uh, duhhh the ancients didn't know an embryo from a potato...


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Again, "we are all God's children belongs in the religion forum....it has no place discussing science or law or rights...'


DO YOU ASK YOUR FELLOW CHRISTIANS IF THOSE PEOPLE AT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER, THE ONES FLOATING IN THE RIVER AND THE ONES IN CAGES......ARE THEY ALL GODS CHILDREN?

YUP, not YOURS , NOT anyone's but hers....so why are people sticking their fat self righteous noses in her business???

So what? That is not a fact and has NOTHING to do with rights, laws or science..or facts...NOTHING ...
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I don't know why you threw in this bizarre scenario but if a man punches a woman and causes her to lose her baby HE, not THEY, will be charged.

He will be charged due to the UVVA....bet you haven't a clue what that is, do you?

And WTF does this have to do with a woman's right to her own body??

Uh, NO, if abortion is banned then she should be charged with murder. Don't the Anti-Choicers say that abortion is murdering a "baby" ??

No one said the FETUS is infringing on the woman's rights...but banning abortion is destroying women's right to their own body, a heinous act.


The fetus IS part of the woman it's in which is why she has the right to do anything she wants with it...

 

During slavery white people decided that they had a right to oppress and enslave black people. In abortion big people decided they have a right to oppress and kill small people.

 

I hope so because nothing above relates to having a soul. Do Whales have souls ? How about Apes which share more than 96% DNA with humans ? How about a banana - I read once that its something like 40%.

 

Pro or Non-pro have their reasons but i will agree on this lady. No matter what the situation it i on a pro-life and we should do.

 

Some "rights" must be fought for.

 

Would there even be a discussion about abortion rights if it wasn't part of the God equation? The majority of all laws are based on Gods moral laws. If I didn't believe in a moral premise then I wouldn't give a hoot about anybody's life. If I was pro-abortion I would cheer every time a liberal entered a clinic. I would support total annihilation of all those who would do harm to my country. I would support the death penalty for those who offended my values. I wouldn't have any qualms of assisting the death of old people who I considered of no value. Actually I believe some of these things go on now. If one has no respect for another's life, except their own, then I can see where the pro-life agenda can be very unsettling to them.

The ancients may not have known a embryo from a potato but they knew when a woman was with child.

It seems that no one really wants to talk about why abortion is so important to some woman and why it is so fiercely defended. With the exception of rape, incest and a true reason that it could kill the mother, most abortions are for other reasons. The majority is because society placed a strong stigmatism on those who were young and found themselves in a motherly way and it looked bad on the family. Some woman fooled around and did not want their husband or boyfriend to know the child wasn't theirs. For many it was for economic reasons and for others it was interfering with their lifestyle. Politicians took the opportunity to use it to cull the races. I wonder if blacks ever wonder why they are still the minority race even after 150 years. The abortionist's today make BIG BUCKS with fetal tissue.

Of course those who died in the river and those being held in the cages built under the Obama administration are Gods children. Both of those situations are fine examples of what happens when nothing is done about "man's inhumanity towards their fellow man"

Why are the pro-life people so adamant about the abortion issue? I guess because the pro-choice group has created "how many lives ?" We have a rough estimate how many abortion deaths they have committed since "Row vs Wade" in 1973". 60 million terminal executions. Makes the killing fields of Cambodia, the extermination of Jews by Hitler and the genocide of Stalin mediocre compared to what goes on at Planned Parenthood and other abortion mills.

Are you referring to the Unborn Victims of Violence Act just passed in Wyoming? What about it?

 

Your determination to put your snout in a woman's private business is noted. Perhaps the day should come where you have to scramble to enjoy your private life.

 

Sticking your nose is where it doesn't belong is what's unsettling.

Thank you for your self-righteous, offensive comparison.