14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

Clearly 2 million did not.
Nor did 400,000 people last year involved in gun crime and over 200 children k8lled.
Until you can reduce YOUR crime rate with guns, keep your problems over there.

 

Now let's see the defensive gun uses.

 

On a dark night the armed attacker would fire first, since he knows she is there and she doesnt.
Arguments based on whatifs and maybe, carry no weigh.
As I said, you show à serious réduction in assault in the armed USA and you might start to have a case.

 

Irrelevant.
These people were affected by gun use.
I am not interested in the ones who got away because those affected and in the stats would have been affected anyway.

 

Behold: "You are so scared of Boogeymen that I feel seriously Sorry for you." That is a personal attack. Focus on the word "You". I assumed that it was slip.
It is the kind of thing I apologize for whenever it is called to my attention.

You seem to have been ignoring my posts for some time.

1. You would know, if you read my posts, that I do not "love guns" or even like them.
2. It seems rather obvious that you do care about my opinion. Probably too much.
3. The US like the UK is a crime ridden madhouse. Alas.

“Criminal acts of violence at GP surgeries across the UK have almost doubled in five years, new figures reveal, as doctors’ leaders warn of a perfect storm of soaring demand and staff shortages.

Police are now recording an average of three violent incidents at general practices every day. Staff are facing unprecedented assaults, abuse and aggression by patients, with surgeries struggling to cope with “unmanageable levels of demand” after years of failure to recruit or retain sufficient numbers of family doctors.

Security measures such as CCTV, panic buttons and screens at reception are now increasingly being rolled out across GP surgeries, the Guardian has learned, with senior medics claiming ministers perpetuate a myth that services are “closed”.

In 2021-22, there were 1,068 criminal incidents of violence at health centres and surgeries, according to figures obtained under freedom of information laws by the BMJ. Doctors warned the officially recorded crimes were only “the tip of a much, much bigger iceberg” faced by health staff.

Last night, Britain’s two most senior doctors condemned the wave of violence and called for urgent action to finally resolve the workforce crisis.”

THE GUARDIAN, Criminal acts of violence at UK GP surgeries almost double in five years, Doctors say violence now commonplace as surgeries struggle to cope with ‘unmanageable levels of demand’, GPs tell of ‘appalling’ abuse as violence at UK surgeries worsens, By Andrew Gregory, 31 May, 2022.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...t-uk-gp-surgeries-almost-double-in-five-years

 

Behold: "You are so scared of Boogeymen that I feel seriously Sorry for you." That is a personal attack. Focus on the word "You". I assumed that it was slip.
It is the kind of thing I apologize for whenever it is called to my attention.

You seem to have been ignoring my posts for some time.

1. You would know, if you read my posts, that I do not "love guns" or even like them.
2. It seems rather obvious that you do care about my opinion. Probably too much.
3. The US like the UK is a crime ridden madhouse. Alas.

“Criminal acts of violence at GP surgeries across the UK have almost doubled in five years, new figures reveal, as doctors’ leaders warn of a perfect storm of soaring demand and staff shortages. By Andrew Gregory, 31 May, 2022.

Police are now recording an average of three violent incidents at general practices every day. Staff are facing unprecedented assaults, abuse and aggression by patients, with surgeries struggling to cope with “unmanageable levels of demand” after years of failure to recruit or retain sufficient numbers of family doctors.


Security measures such as CCTV, panic buttons and screens at reception are now increasingly being rolled out across GP surgeries, the Guardian has learned, with senior medics claiming ministers perpetuate a myth that services are “closed”.

In 2021-22, there were 1,068 criminal incidents of violence at health centres and surgeries, according to figures obtained under freedom of information laws by the BMJ. Doctors warned the officially recorded crimes were only “the tip of a much, much bigger iceberg” faced by health staff.

Last night, Britain’s two most senior doctors condemned the wave of violence and called for urgent action to finally resolve the workforce crisis.”
THE GUARDIAN, Criminal acts of violence at UK GP surgeries almost double in five years, Doctors say violence now commonplace as surgeries struggle to cope with ‘unmanageable levels of demand’, GPs tell of ‘appalling’ abuse as violence at UK surgeries worsens, By Andrew Gregory, 31 May, 2022.
Security measures such as CCTV, panic buttons and screens at reception are now increasingly being rolled out.

 

Whenever you think you have been harassed you should take it to the mods.
Do it.

 

Not true. All of your posts focus on "comparative of violence against women in the USA and UK."
OTOH, I have pointed out that the right to self defense has been undermined in both nations, to similar effect.

I have pointed out repeatedly that all UK crime, including gun crime has soared since the Dunblane gun ban. That's just The Inconvenient Truth. Alas,.

 

Or not.

 

Defensive gun uses are directly relevant. You're the stat fiend here educating us all, tell the class how many defensive gun uses there are per year.

 

Whenever a violent felon is gunned down in the act the community as a whole receives a significant benefit. Crime is a risk vs reward business. It is time to rearm the real First Responders -- crime victims.

 

Yeah. They have found some, but it doesn’t make the national news. I wouldn’t dare say they have found them all, just as I wouldn’t say that about the UK.

If one were to distribute their homemade guns, they would also get in trouble here in the states. You can make all the guns you want. For yourself.

Those possibilities are what reality brings. The police didn’t know about that one factory in the UK for years and found it on pure luck. They weren’t looking for it and had no idea it existed. It’s like aliens, mathematically speaking, yeah aliens have to exist. They aren’t coming here and proving rednecks, but they are out there somewhere.

 

3. And that’s just the ones I found on a quick search. There’s the one you posted, one in Sussex, and the third was the one where a beat cop happened to discover it.

 

The point being, police found them and closed them down.
The détails do not change that.
I have no illusions that crime exists in the UK and elsewhere.
What does not exist is wholesale slaughter of the innocent.

 

Instead I am astounded to find 13 replies you posted in reply to my posts.
I consider this stalking as well as harassment and I have better things to do than reply to them all.
Consider yourself ignored.
I frankly have started to give no care or thought to American slaughter of children and innocent people and the ridiculous défense of it with no wish to change the situation. I can assume that too many are fully in agreement with open violent street warfare and those who are killed are mère collatéral damage.
I consider such attitudes quite primitive.
I can only assume that one day there will be such bloodshed that enough people réalise such attitudes cannot continue. One day à group of gunman, law abiding or not, will gather and mow down à crowd of innocent people. That is no different than a terrorist carrying à backpack and blowing up hundreds of people.
And some continue to support that.
Good luck. I cant spend time showing truth to the willfilly blind.

 

but, you can get arrested for not wearing a mask outside the house. And you have slaughtered innocents as well https://theconversation.com/homicide-is-on-the-rise-in-australia-should-we-be-concerned-178320
But thanks for soapboxing for innocents in other countries while pretending you guys don’t have your share! That’s the nanny state blues.

 

I never said no one else has issues.
I SAID they don't have mass assassinations by gun in public places.
I also offered what might have been discussed as a solution although partial. What I got back was endless excuses, some ridiculous, including a 200 year old existential situation. and no indication of à desire to stop such assassinations.
I am not trained in speaking in sign language to the deaf and blind. Or those who duck and Dive away from the subject. In the end I just don't care enough about what culture the USA decides it wants. It could have been nice to support your approaches to law and order to others who also think it is wrong, but you have left me with nothing to offer.

You seem to have confused the UK and Australia.
I know nothing about Australian security.
And I do know that no country in Europe mandatés wearing a mask outside your house.

 

And what would pro gun vigilantes done if they had found them?
Invested in them, no doubt.
The police and security services follow the law. They do not make it. They can be sanctioned by the state and work "as a well ordered militia". As recognised in your constitution. Unlike disorganised gun enthusiasts who are not.

 

Is this Sadanie/ Margot / Margot 2 under a new name?

 

How can you blame the tool and not the criminal and expect to be taken seriously, especially since those countries do not have a similar toxic culture at play? Why would we take such illogical advice?

 

Are you suggesting that people who defend their own lives are vigilantes?

 

Pardon?

 

I am suggesting that unregulated use of weapons with a potential to cause death are vigilantes.

 

What other countries.
Since you are confused about what happens in them, I would appreciate clarity.
Guns are created purely to kill en masse.
Nothing else is.