14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

Again, there is the organized and UNORGANIZED militia. Millions of Americans are in the UNORGANIZED militia(again, defined by law). You want to say that’s a mob? Well by law it is not. It is an unorganized militia. Frankly, it is mind blowing that millions and millions of people would just be an armed mob when called upon to help secure a free state. That’s a large “mob.” How helpful do you think millions of “troops”(if called upon, that’s what they’d be) could help in a situation like that? A lot? A little?

While you may not have the power yourself, you are certainly trying to influence my rights in a negative manner.

As for having organization simply because something is defined in law…. Odd stance to take. You’ll have to show me where in the unorganized militia part of the law it does anything but define who they are.

 

Those populations werent disarmed.
They encountered better and more arms.
Listen.
Your refusal to listen to those who do not share your problems , who do not have a majority of the population armed, who do not send their children to school and retrieve their bloody bodies , who do not have some 250 year old law meant for a history that doesn't exist anymore, who doesn't have an unelected bunch of corrupt quasi politicians encouraging the carnage brought about by their product and which runs its daily life quietly , peacefully and in a fashion which is morally outraged at the kind of violence usually seen in undeveloped third world drugs economies...if you refuse to listen to those who look at you from the outside and are truly appalled that any western society can make excuses for that carnage you revel in, while pretending to be a Christian country, you should turn the glass around and look at yourselves.
You should listen to those who aren't in the localisés thrall of that infantile cry "it's my right" without considering that this does not mean it is a requirement.
That anyone else can see that to pretend that you are protecting your country from some imaginary bogeyman is a pathetic excuse in the face of any military bent on overpowering you. You dont stand à chance.
You would need navy armed carriers armed drones , long range missiles and tens of thousands of mines plus an airforce the size of Russia's.I note you have never answered that argument. You have ignored the utterly futility of your efforts. The Great Nonsense of your thinking you can heroically answer any serious attack on the USA with what would amount to pop guns.
Others say rightly You havent done very well dealing with your problem by yourselves, have you?
And no. The majority of people in your country do NOT support your form of bloodthirsty open access to murder. In à land of democracy something corrupt has made the voice of the loony minority wag the dog of sanity. In a land so protective of life that you actively contemplate trashing individual womens' rights over their own lives you delightedly dont give à toss if you have armed individuals shooting at children and each other in open warfare in schools.
If you had a national free vote on retaining your gun laws today, you would lose.
So dont tell me you shouldn't listen to peacefully ordered "others". You need waking up, friend. You have no idea what freedom state security gives you. Instead you insist on the path to more and more innocent deaths. Bloody streets in reality, not via a vidéo which you know isn't réal.
When I started this thread I wanted to see what your rationale is. So far I have found none except some slogans and romantic dreams about being superman in case of national attack. And you are happy to morally absorb ANY NUMBER OF DEATHS of people of any age to hold onto your fantasy.
So dont tell me about "others " commenting on your country. I could comment as I do to the majority of Americans and be counted as one of them. Those with your opinion are NOT the USA. They are the dark side of à moral country which above anyone else, needs to listen to others.

 

Oh dont tell me your gun owning population is an unorganised militia, for heavens saké.
It is an unorganised armed mob. It would be totally unorganised when the enemy disabled your communications...one of the first things they would do.
And please dont tell me about your securing a free state. Maybe in 1787, but not in 2022.
You aren't à militia. You are à bunch of people who own guns. And I would laugh if the deaths of innocent people werent so serious.

 

An unorganised armed group of people is a mob. Correction..Dangerous mob.
Of course is is unorganised. Who would be in charge? How would they communicate? Plan? Coordinate? What you would have is bunches of armed people working independently and not knowing what the next one is doing.
Utter chaos.
A mob.

 

oh god. Please stay there and be a subject to the whims of your gov. When they go tyrannical on you and you can't do anything to save yourselves we won't help. You're just gonna play the victim card while pretending to address the problem and you never do. Keep blaming the tool and not the problem, you will never learn a single lesson.

I'd speak to the immorality of allowing a gov to take your freedoms away but you aren't using them in the first place. We do not have to worry about the military going into 170 million homes to take guns, that's not gonna happen. There will be no confiscation and no turn in's

In the end you will seek to unarm the illegal citizens for what's done by .001% of the bad ones which is stupid beyond any measure. No one with a brain is falling for your mistakes.

 

Government functions like a cancer. It expands.
Big Government is a terminal disease.

"R. J.. Rummel, a professor emeritus of political science .... has painstakingly compiled statistics accounting for the number of people killed worldwide by "democide," a term he coined to describe governments' intentional killing ... of civilians....

...Rummels books on the subject - particularly "Death By Government" (1994) and "Statistics of Democide" (1997) - provide the most comprehensive estimates currently available, and the ones most often referenced by scholars.

Rummel estimates that from 1900 to 1987 governments murdered almost 170 million people - a figure that far exceeds the 34.4 million battle deaths thought to have resulted from all the international and civil wars fought during the same period....

Democide often occurs under authoritarian regimes... Indeed democratic governments were responsible for only about one percent of the twentieth century's death toll from democide...."
THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY, "The World In Numbers," "Murder By The State," Vol. 292 NO. #4, 11/2003.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about.
This is all à makebelieve vision. No one is taking freedoms away. What on earth are you referring to?
If someone wanted to take your gun you would find yourself looking down the barrel of à tank. Your house blown up by artillery fire. Just look at Ukraine. The citizens had guns too. Now they don't have whole towns left standing.
This isn't 1776. By all means play your imaginary games of Superman and the Musket Militia by all means but it has gone way beyond that.
Do you and your follow armed mob realise that NOT ONCE have you expressed your sorrow or condolénces about the dead children in Texas? All you have done is justify support another such incident.
I truly find that chilling.

 

I am telling you that. It is written in law. If you don’t want to educate yourself on who belongs to the organized and unorganized militia, that’s fine. But you really shouldn’t pretend it’s something it’s not.

 

I’m sure that will be figured out when or if the time comes. History has shown us it will come one day.

But you can keep showing you don’t understand our laws all you want.

 

Lol we'll pass on listening to you about things that have to do with 1) liberty and/or 2) war.

 

Your law says that in order to provide for a well ordered militia you have the right to keep guns.
You dont have well organised militias.
You have individual people misreading the amendment and forgetting that part of it. Like the member upthread here.

 

Since I live in a free nation, free or outside aggressions and free of fear of aggressions, free of fear from paranoïa, you might look at yourself and take responsibility for your instilling all that.
When are you going to remember the dead children and stop defending the process you support which killed them.

 

I fully understand both your laws and your utterly lack of making the connection between your interprétation of them and the deaths of cover 200 children this year alone.
And over 440,000 gun related incidents including deaths in 2021.
But you dont care about human life. You only care about your gun

 

Don't talk about abortion supporters that way

 

The American revolution against the UK was paid by the Dutch. They loaned the US the equivalent of 150 billion dollars. And than France and Spain joined in on the fight against the UK. Hence the UK didn't stand a chance against the US.

Americans wouldn't stand a chance in fighting a tyrannical government. The days of men marching around with a riffle or riding on a horse are gone. You need tanks, jets, drones, aircraft carriers, submarines etc. An AR15 is totally useless against that. Hence an AR15 is just a hobby.

 

So why does the military still use Small arms?

 

Hmmmm. So we have a fan of Marshall Petain and the Vichy government. Only someone with such disdain for the French Resistance could be anything but….

 

They clearly have no idea. They are just repeating things they have heard ignorant celebrities and ignorant politicians say. We have a French individual here crapping on the French Resistance. It’s just plain ignorance.

 

I bet she does not even have a clue how many liberator pistols were air dropped into occupied territories including France during world war II by the United States.

And how effective it was it just psychological warfare alone not to mention arming the resistance

 

Yep.

And clearly the Germans had nothing but muskets and had no way to disrupt communication….

How the German army breached and circumvented the Maginot Line with such archaic weapons and tactics is still a mystery to some French apparently.

 

We have two kinds of militia. Will you please pick up some texts on the law?

No, I broke it down for you, but you still are not understanding. Oh well, no skin off my back. I’ll just remember you want to remove my civil rights and treat you accordingly.

 

O i see what you did. You disingenuously inserted all mass shootings including gang related Mass shootings into a thread about school shootings. Yeah way to make yourself look dishonest.

 

Dude......

You inserted the word "mass" into what I said, and then accused me of lying. That was dishonest, and now you try to project your BS on me.

You sir, are a liar.

Say hi to the others when you hit the bottom of my ignore list.

 

99.9% of Americans have no understanding of the Militia Acts or militias they protect. You can’t expect a French citizen that abhors the French Resistance to understand.

 

Pixie,

Your understanding of the second amendment is limited.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed."
What we have hear is a Present participle, followed by the actual subject and verb of the sentence.
A similar alternative statement would be
"A well schooled electorate, being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed"
What you have to remember is that Present participles do not ALTER the subject or verb of a sentence. In this case the Verb is "shall" and the Subject is "people"
So from the most basic grammatical beginning's before we get into text, historical, or legal the second amendment offers no "right" to gun ownership restricted to the government or "milita"
The right is assumed, just like every other right in the bill of rights, the first 10 amendments are limiting principles on the government not on the people.