17-year-old Antwon Rose was fleeing and unarmed when police in East Pittsburgh shot him

I am certain that in this exact scenario except the person who got killed was white, the response from those you call "race merchants" would be exactly the same. Always good when a criminal is removed from the streets, no matter their race. It's a "content of character" thing.

 

At the time of the shooting, the officers were under the assumption that the people they pulled over were the ones who shot a guy, hence why they pulled them over. Running away from people who presume with good reason that you are armed is a good bet a way to get yourself shot.

 

One anecdote for another. Here is a black guy running from cops and they don't shoot. Go figure that one instance is not an incitement of all situations.

 

Again, the suspect in a SHOOTING was running, and possibly armed and could have harmed more people later in the attempt to flee.

Yes, as I would support police to shoot white men at twice the rate for suspicion.

It already does, but thanks for playing the race baiting game. You don't care about blacks being shot by other blacks, whites do care about whites being shot by other whites.

 

Possibly. Although, I would doubt that first the story would have been advanced at the national media level. Second, I would doubt that folks actually believe that it is "always good when a criminal is removed" as clearly that notion violates our due process, right?

 

its amazing how conservatives have laws for themselves and laws for blacks.

running away is the farthest thing from being a threat and there is no excuse for it.

 

Prove it race baiter. Know why Dylann Roof wasn't shot? He didn't run away when confronted by the cops.

Except if you are suspected to have a gun and already shown a propensity to use it when you aren't under threat of arrest.

 

Seems reasonable. Or it's a state sanctioned killing........

 

Concerning the mention of the national media, I take that you mean if the deceased was white, no mention of it would have even been made in the media. Would I be correct?

Concerning due process, we all agree there are circumstances in which a criminal shouldn't get "due process." The disagreement is on what those circumstances are. For me, I will always take the safety of the public over a criminal who is breaking the law.

 

He was unarmed when he was shot in the back and posing no threat.

Uh lets's see.........oh I know CHASED HIM.

At that point did they know they were the ones who had done the shooting, I know they were black so if they didn't do that they had done something.

 

By "doesn't like the way your (sic) acting" do you mean running away after a stop by police looking for a shooter?

Not saying I would justify this shooting (though the runner more or less passed sentence on himself and it looks like society is better off for it)
but your ridiculous hyperbole is clearly not helping things.

 

hey kids...its crazy postin time!

Why would the cop not like the way Im acting? I would be respectful and doing what he says...exactly.

 

Quite ridiculous that people are justifying a police officer shooting a suspect in the back.

First, according to the statement given by the department a vehicle was seen fleeing the scene of the shooting. No statement that the vehicle was seen as involved in the shooting. I don’t know about you guys, but I would flee the scene of a shooting regardless of involvement. I just consider that to be good survival instinct.

Second, I drive a black Dodge Dart. On my way to work I see at least four of the exact same car on the road. I understand stopping a vehicle with a matching description, but to do so with absolute certainty that it is the vehicle you’re looking for is absurd and dangerous.

Third, a child ran from the police for, considering the driver was released, likely no more than having an undetermined amount of an illegal substance on his person. He broke at least one law, probably two, but neither warrant a death sentence. Yes shooting at someone, regardless of the how potentially fatal you think a bullet can be, is a death sentence.

The officer involved made assumptions and judgement calls that someone with proper training and temperament for the job would not have made. And because of that a boy was given the death penalty.

It shouldn’t have happened and no one should be defending it aside from the officer’s lawer, because at least he should have the due process that he denied that boy.

 

Again, "assumptions" are not justification for shooting someone who is running AWAY from you. Deadly force is not something you use because you "think" they are a bad guy.

This idea that because the cops "think" something, that they have the right to use deadly force is ludicrous. Do they think black people are worse, therefore more justified ?

Your missing the entire point of the discussion. Cops are not allowed to use deadly force because they assume, or they think, or the potential of a situation. And if your ok with that is OK than you deserve what you get next time you get pulls over because a cop "thinks you might be a bad guy".

Citizens have rights given them by the constitution, not by cops assumptions.

 

Your trying to equate black on black crime with cops shooting a kid in the back ? Grow UP.

I sure hope you, or your kids don't get "suspected" by a cop. But republicans usually become democrates when their policies affect them

 

what evidence do you have, judge.

 

Hm, theres a simple solution to that....what is i...oh yeah. Don't made sudden movements around cops when they're investigating a murder.

 

A sudden movement that looks like you’re reaching for a gun next to you can be justifiably seen as an immediate threat. A sudden movement that is CLEARLY running away is not justifiable as a reason to shoot.

Running away from police is not a crime punishable by death.

 

Any sudden movement is a threat. You can be shot in less than one second. It takes several seconds to determine the actual intent of the sudden movement. That's why when people suspected of a violent crime react in such a way, they get shot.

We'll know soon enough if the two guns found in the car were used in the shooting, and then we'll know why they ran.

If the police pulled you over and explained they were looking for someone who had just shot someone, and your car fit the description, would you bolt out of the car and run?

 

The officer had to take at least three seconds, that is generally considered the time it takes to line up an accurate shot on a moving target, to shoot a person running away from him. That was plenty of time to determine the level of the threat of a fleeing suspect, which in this case is zero.

Seeing as the police released the driver, I think it is safe to say there is not enough reason to believe they were involved in the shooting.

No, I personally would not run, but then I am 30 years old and wise enough to know that it’s a bad idea. I also don’t make a habit of carrying anything illegal in my vehicle which is why I suspect this boy ran. I will not argue that he broke the law. But nothing he can be accused of right now warranted a death sentence.

 

No, it doesn't take 3 seconds. No, there wasn't plenty of time.

If the driver was already released, why did they run?

Well there you go. They are dead and you're not because you don't do stupid ****.

Want to bet the guns in the back of the car were used in the crime?

 

I will retract my statement on the time to lineup a shot, I was thinking of long range marksmanship. Though I do standby my statement that he had enough time to determine a suspect running away is not a threat.

I didn’t say the driver was released at the time of the shooting. He was released after being interviewed. Meaning they had no evidence the guns, vehicle, or people were involved. And from the looks of him being released is there even evidence they were being transported in an illegal way?

Dumb isn’t punishable by death.

 

When you get pulled over as a potential suspect in a murder and you try to run or make sudden movements, you're probably going to get shot. Bottom line.

I'll wait for more information, there's not a lot there.

On the contrary, dumb is very often punishable by death. A leading cause, in fact.

 

Let me help you with this. The end of your sentence should be "...that is armed who has shot someone already so he would have no qualms with shooting others to get away from being captured". If you are choosing to ignore this fact, then there is no discussion about this and you refuse to sympathize with the situations of what the cops were thinking about. If all you can do is sympathize with the suspect, that says a lot. I don't know about you, but I can't sympathize with a suspect who is running away from authority.

That's always the reason for deadly force is because of what the cops think may or may not happen. You keep up the race baiting, but studies show that whites are killed more by cops per encounter than blacks. That's also taking into the fact that black males make up 6% of the US population but commit 45% of the violent crimes.

Yes they are. Its also a matter of what comes after the shooting and the evidence presented that will determine if its justified or not. That's why they ALWAYS have an investigation of every cop shooting.

And every cop is sworn to keep the peace, so to stop a suspect who possibly has no qualms shooting people to get away from capture, the cop does what he THINKS is right.

 

I don’t believe the suspect knew that the stop involved a suspected murder, but then I can’t really claim to know what was in that boys mind, as he is now dead.

I agree there are more facts to be learned on the case, but at this moment we do know that a child was shot in the back for running from the police and he died as a result.

We know that a police officer trained his sights on a person running from him, with no clear evidence that he was carrying a gun and pulled the trigger three times.

We know that the driver has been released which means that the police did not have sufficient reason to believe he had any involvement in the shooting that initiated the stop.

And yes, dumb gets people killed. Car accidents, falls, self inflicted harm, etc. but should we really be so ready to accept that a child should be dead right now, by the hands of law enforcement officers, because he acted stupidly? The people tasked with upholding the law should be better than that.