5 people shot dead in one bloody New York night

There was nearly same amount of fatalities due to driving while impaired as to the TOTAL number of homicides with a firearm in 2017. Yet, there is no discussion about banning cars to reduce or eliminate drunk driving fatalities.

And by your same logic, we could reduce and possibly eliminate drive by shootings if we banned cars.

Not complicated at all and since automobiles kill and maim more people in the United states than guns, and are also bad for the environment, why aren't most liberals more pissed about cars and impaired driving?

I would rather focus on what drives people to commit such heinous acts of violence. The gun is merely a tool to their end game.

Is banning guns our only antidote for gun violence? You've offered nothing else as I think it's been more than proven that even taking guns out of peoples hand doesn't stop the violence.

You mean stick with the narrative... got it!!

Well, afraid to tell you, they happen all the time but it doesn't fit the media's narrative. There was once just recently in California were 4 people were stabbed to death.

https://kdvr.com/2019/08/08/police-gang-member-kills-4-in-random-southern-california-stabbings/

in 2016, 1,604 homicides were committed with a knife in the US. 10,874 people were killed from impaired driving in 2017

Quit listening to your handlers so that WE ALL can come together and actually figure this problem out![/QUOTE]

 

All mass shootings added (yearly) up don't account to most towns yearly death count. That's just 1 town, how about we fix the easily fixable with guns first. If big cities had more educated individuals how come big cities have most of the problems. More than just guns.

 

The problem here is the second amendment is a right. If everyone is denied then only criminals have guns those that arent afraid of breaking laws. Criminals will still have guns like my forefathers before me give me liberty or give me death.

 

As opposed to selling me an AR15? Sounds good.

 

For those of you who might not know this, but there was once a time when you could buy a gun via mail order through the Sears catalog. I don't recall very many shootings back then like we're having now. Something changed and it isn't the guns, it's the people.

 

Great Point. The people who die in mass shootings are a write off so we might as well keep selling AR15s to teenagers. Fantastic.

 

Has it never occurred to you that people differentiate between
traffic ACCIDENTS and gun HOMICIDES? Why do you think that is?

You are the only one talking about cars. You have some idea that cars and guns are the same. Apples and apples? Very strange.

Now you are talking about car accidents and "liberals". Maybe you are not paying attention? Very strange.

But you haven't said a single word on "what drives people to commit such heinous acts of violence". Not a single word. You are only talking about cars. Very strange.

I have offered nothing else other than my wacko idea that
"No guns = fewer shootings"? Wow! How could I get such a crazy idea?!

How's that? You are talking about cars ... not guns. Plus you are talking about other forms of violence other than guns. That's NOT "sticking with the narrative" at all. Very strange.

That's not a drive-by stabbing. You really need to concentrate better. So I ask you now the third time: To your knowledge, how many drive-by stabbings have there been? Concentrate now ..... "How many drive-by stabbings have there been?" Got it?

And how does that affect gun violence? You really need to focus on guns and save the knife narrative for the right thread.

"Handlers"? If we all had to rely on handlers to tell us what to say then I suggest you fire yours and find one who can stick to the subject.

SUMMING UP the debate (so far):
* I say: No guns = fewer shootings so we should strive to curtail the possessions of guns for that very reason.

* You say: Banning guns won't stop traffic accidents, therefore, we should do nothing at all about gun possession.

 

Do you know what "an amendment" is? I don't think you do. Amendments can be repealed. Just as the 21st. amendment repealed the Prohibition Amendment ..... so should this one.

 

I never said it couldn't be repealed. I said it was a right and as long as it's the second amendment it's a right! So please be more careful assuming things.
Also 100 percent disagree about it needing to be repealed.

 

No they arent eight off but if you really cared about deaths maybe you'd looking into things that kill a considerable amount of more people than guns do.

Like drugs, alcohols, motor vehicle accidents, falling, and assault by a sharp object. Doctors kill more than guns. Guns can be a problem but the answer isnt taking them away from the law abiding citizens.
We need to be more creative because restrictive gun laws like chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, and others alike strict guns laws obviously don't help stopping criminals with I'll intent to commit crimes.

 

Could you post proof on the subject. Also I have heard this before and the small amount of research I've done on it the guns were still obtained illegally.

 

Forgot to quote your post.

 

Have not read your links yet but appreciate the leg work nonetheless I will follow up and read them! I wish the government would treat underground black market for guns with such serious to the likes of the drug war and treat the drug war differently but that's a different topic. Drugs only kill the who voluntarily use (mostly, other than ruining family's and other things) guns kill innocent daily. With thousands upon thousand of illegal guns something needs done about those guns not the guns that my neighbors and I own. (Assuming my neighbors are law abiding citizens lol)

 

Sure I heard about it; it was on the local news. The left most likely realizes that nothing will ever happen until enough people die by guns and Americans get fed up enough to cause change to happen; obviously we haven't come to that point yet. Otherwise nothing is going to happen in the interim.

 

Awfully lazy approach and pessimistic outlook.

 

Never mind.

 

I know what you said and I never claimed anything other than that. But it seems that you do not understand that an amendment is ONLY A CHANGE in the CONSTITUTION ..... it is not the Constitution itself. Changes can be changed.

That is utterly untrue. So please be more careful assuming things.

 

I didnt assume anything.

 

Your making plenty of valid points. Looks like Chicago needs to crack down on there crime.

The gun were still obtained illegally in neighboring states. People who sell guns to criminals should have more of a liability. If your gun doesnt get reported stolen and ends up in a crime that's bad news for someone. Big cities being more pro active or any more active at all on going after gang related crime we could target the real threat.