57% of Democrats View Socialism Positively

Ask those same people: "Do you think govt. should own and control all natural resources, hospitals, factories, businesses, schools?"

most of those same people would say "NO WAY MAN!!!!"

most people have no ****ing clue what a Socialist State would mean.

 

Oh, heck, we are real. The Scandinavian countries are known far and wide as "democratic socialist" countries. More correctly, they are "social democratic" countries. They are capitalist with a good dose of social programs. But in none of them is the working class the owner and controller of the means of production.

 

Wow! So you're way beyond most with EXTREME confusion between socialist, democratic socialist, and communist! You need to bone up if you want to have an intelligent, informed conversation with most people.

 

We all know you have opinions.

 

Government owning businesses, etc.?? You're referring to a strategy intended to get to socialism, -not socialism. And that strategy failed BIG.

 

No they don't. Most Americans only have the government propaganda to guide them in their thinking of what socialism is.

 

sorry, in a Socialist economy, the govt. owns and controls all large industries and employers.

 

NO, IT DOESN'T. That comes not from Marx, but from capitalist propaganda and it actually describes state capitalism.

 

But, YOU. @Kode said

The Scandies are termed Socialist while void of doctrine, "worker ownership and control of the means of production".

So what is Socialist and how can we dialog if the definition keeps drifting.
Moi sez, let's distinguish Nordic Socialism from Venezuela, USSR, China, Vietnam, . . .
Nordic Socialism being, maybe, Welfare Socialism. Not industrial in any manner.

Witness the confusion game on this thread!


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You quoted two of my comments and they are in total consistent agreement. So I don't know what "confusion" you are referring to. But just look at what Marx said about it. You can take my definition of socialism "to the bank".

 

All we have is more boldness by those on the left to admit that they are Marxists. They always were, we are just seeing them admit it now.

What a bunch of scumbags.

 

are they scum bags for admitting their marxists, or for being marxists, or both

 

I find 'collectivists' a more fitting term.

 

Were you smelling your own deflections?

 

Or Neo-Fascists (a la the National Socialists in Germany).

Aside from the hardcore communists and socialists, I'd say the "progressives" in this country could be more accurately described as Neo-Fascists (minus the nationalism), where private property is allowed to exist and the government exercises de facto control over the economy instead of direct control through government possession/ownership.

The similarities extend beyond mere economics. Here's a couple passages from Benito Mussolini's fascist manifesto:

Of course, everyone who is familiar with the history of the Left knows that Mussolini was a leader in the Italian Socialist Party before he got kicked out for supporting Italy's involvement in WWI.

 

All the while they tout “democracy” above all else. Here’s an idea, why not be honest about your real positions and political goals? Why lie and pretend to be moderates?

 

Real righties don’t.

 

Oh you mean Ms. Rosenbaum? Weird, it’s almost like she didn’t believe in the ideology she pushed onto right leaning people.

 

Your standard here would apply to a hell of a lot of New York and California liberals who spend their whole lives advocating for liberal policies and then retire in a low tax Republican led state.

Of course, you have two standards at work here.

 

so by your logic the USSR was never Socialist.

thats nice

 

Denmark, Norway, Sweden, etc. How strange that you pick whiter and less culturally diverse countries to hold up as the ideal, considering how enthusiastic you are about a less white, more “diverse” US.

 

I agree with this except in the case of education. First off, it ought to be free. We need a more educated populace not less. Second, there's absolutely NO fcking excuse for higher education to be so expensive.

 

57% of democrats are retards

 

Aka nations that weren’t subjected to colonialism

 

Do you have a citation that shows NY and CA liberals leave those states to retire elsewhere? Some do, but then, you'd need a citation that shows those that do leave had the ability to implement liberal policies, only to leave the state when they got older. I won't hold my breath. I expect it will take a long while to find that kind of citation.