59 yrs ago Today, JFK Assinated

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  1. Richard Franks

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    upload_2022-12-20_16-49-28.jpeg upload_2022-12-20_16-50-5.jpeg Lee Harvey Oswald was accused of killing John F Kennedy, but Oswald was shot and killed by a man named Jack Ruby. Ruby died in 1967.
     
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    Nothing happened to Nancy Pelosi. Just her hard drinking husband was attacked. Big deal.
     
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    that is sad
     
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    So it's okay to hide historical evidence for 59 years??? Most of the adult participants are dead. If it dirties their reputations, so what? If there were people guilty of wrong doing in the CIA, which I tend to doubt, they should be outed.

    I think that Oswald acted alone, and used the training the Marine Corp gave him in shooting a rifle.
     
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    ~ I think it is very likely evidence that CIA, Secret Service & FBI did not put surveillance on Oswald. They purposely did nothing to protect Kennedy from a known assassin in the vicinity of the president.
     
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    I was in the 2nd grade and was getting on the bus to go home from school when I found out about the assassination...I started Kindergarten when I was 6 due to my birthdate in early November.

    I remember my parents buying me this garish, multicolored paisley coat at my behest as I watched the funeral procession on a TV at the store.
    Actually, the coat made more of a life impression on me than the funeral procession.
     
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    He was not a known assassin until after he killed Kennedy.

    They knew who he was and the FBI showed some interest in him after he traveled to the USSR and Mexico but they had no idea he was an assassin or potential one.

    Clearly they underestimated the the guy. That could be one reason for keeeping a few documents secret.
     
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    I did not say it was ok I said they have valid reasons for keeping some things secret.
     
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    Yes, it’s called CYA for whatever reasons. It only feeds the conspiracy theorists.
     
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    I think that Congress needs to start docking their budget by 5% a month until they turn over every piece of evidence in their possession.
     
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    :steamed: ~ I think Congress itself should be docked of all salary, perks, benefits and Insider trading tips and put on straight commission. No results β€” no pay ! 90 - day public audit/review of progress for each member .
    This is more likely what the Founders had in mind. A government of the common people, for the common people. A sacrifice to serve the country β€” not a luxury for the selfish and corrupt individuals among us.
    main-qimg-fe2aa068555f3cb73508c2212282fe9a-lq.jpeg " I'll vote for that .. ! " 1584414801.3623-smiley.gif
     
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    ~ I did not know this. Shoots a hole in my theory of what CIA is keeping under wraps. Unless ... did they know and remained silent ?
     
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    One of the things over looked by most conspiracy theorists is the timing of events. This is because the timing ( among other massive pieces of evidence ) ruins the case for conspiracy theorists,=.

    Oswald began working at the TSBD before the plan for Kennedy's visit to Dallas was finalized. They had anounced an intention to visit no details which were still being worked out. The original idea was for Kennedy to visit a university in Dallas to recieve an honorary PHD. Had he gone there the motorcade would have taken a different route, and Oswald would not have been able to shoot him. However Kennedy personally changed this detail. The trip became a necessity for him to make peace between various leaders of the DNC in Texas who were at each others throats. He needed to win Texas if he hoped to win in 64 and the DNC leaders in texas were about to fracture the party in that state. When he made this decision they had to change the venue for his visit which in turn caused them to plan the motorcade route which they ultimately followed.The Secret Service advance team worked with Dallas PD to scout out locations , pick one , and plan the route.

    This means if there was any sort of conspiracy the secret service ITSELF was involved. Furthermore Kennedy himself would have been complicit in his own assassination since he made the decision which caused all of the other decisions which ultimately put him in Oswald's gun sights.

    The Secret Service was not the same as it is todaay. They did not have nearly the resources nor the institutional paranoia that they have today They were loyal and willing to take a bullet but no where near as professional. Some of them had no law enforcement backkground nor even high school diplomas. It is well known that they were out late drinking the night before the assassination which is unheard of today but not back then. This means we can show negligence and some incompetance but not conspiracy to betray Kennedy. Especially since their actions were in response to his decisions. In light of these facts the only way for a plot to work is if they were precognizant or if they had a thousand Oswald's around Dallas at every possible place where Kennedy might ride past.

    Based on all this there was nothing to know ahead of time. They simply blew the call on Oswald being a threat. One cannot blame them since ALL of the evidence they had showed that he was a silly ass clown and nothing more. But it was still a error of epic proportions.

    This is also the most logicall explanations for Hoover stone walling the Warren Commission on some details. He was a well known megalomaniac who did not allow the FBI to look embarrasing or less than brilliant. Rather than covering up a plot he wanted to cover up that they dropped the ball.
     
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    Good post @Soupnazi

    I read an interesting account by one of the lower ranking members of the Warren Commission. He pointed out that while people attack the motives of the more well known members of the commission like Earl Warren or future president Gerald Ford, all the lower ranking members of the commission were strongly committed to finding out the truth behind the assassination. He said they would've been overjoyed at proving a conspiracy killed Kennedy and that they looked at every possibility.

    but found nothing.
     
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    ~ Yes β€” apparently the entire reason for Johnson being selected as VP in the first place was to win Texas. It is well known that they did not like each other.
     
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    Next Year it will be the 60th anniversary of the JFK Assassination.
     
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    How was Oswald a "known assassin"
     
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    Indeed.........and what have we learned from that tragic event?? The sad thing is that for a very young country........it has accumulated a record of high profile assassination........and attempted assassinations. There is something very wrong at the core o of such a culture. Kennedy did not have the opportunity to fulfill his role and we have no way of knowing how he would have evolved as POTUS. He represented light, hope, and a new generation of thinking.

    If one cannot wait to vote someone out of office........and choose assassination...........that is a dark side of a society........that breeds such violence

    Yes........"for one brief shining moment..........there was a Camelot"

    I will never forget that horrible day- tragic event.......that was so uncalled for.

    Also sadly.......folks have become "conditioned"(developed a high tolerance for) t o such violent acts now.........and their only solution is"thoughts and prayers'
     
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    You have even the least bit of evidence that the Kennedy assassination was influenced in any way by our "society???
     
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    Violence ,shootings, and assassinations have been part of the fabric of america ..........since the beginning.
    In some ways this country does not know any different. No one can say with a straight face........that this country is a non violent nation.And this form of self destruction could easily contribute to a gradual deterioration.
     
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    Those things have been parts of he fabric of EVERY nation.

    From the beginning.
     
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    recently a US President said this guy's father was involved, could it be true?

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    No. Trumps an idiot and it isn't possible.
     
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    Don't know if this is what he was referring to, and he wasn't successful, but there was the attempted assassination of General Walker in April 63. However, I have never seen any evidence that this was known prior to JFK's shooting

    Edwin Walker - Wikipedia
     
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