9/11 - The Legal Initiative

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Regarding the picture Bob provided here, if we analyze it we should apply Occam's Razor in that analysis.

    What does the photo show?

    It shows an event NOT caused by what NIST said caused it. That is, that result was NOT caused by burning office furnishings and jetfuel fires and gravity.

    Occam says the simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation.

    The reason it looks like some sort of small nuclear bomb went off is because indeed, some sort of nuclear bomb went off.

    The pulverized concrete, mixed with the by-products of the thermite reaction, covered much of lower Manhattan, in some places as thick as 4 inches deep.

    Thank you Occam.
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    You're right! It IS an improvement!
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Eleuthera.

    Do you still admire Richard Gage even though he and his group do not agree with the nuclear theory? They even wrote documentation on why the nuclear is not possible. Are Gage and his group being affected buy cognitive dissonance like you've discussed?
     
  4. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    No need to try again.

    I know your game Bobby. I spelled it out in the paragraph you claim is off topic which is an easy way for you to avoid addressing it. You're being hypocritical in quite a few of your posts in regards to who you side with and who you call out.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Way off topic. Go back and read the title of this thread for comprehension. It’s not about me and it definitely isn’t a game, it’s very serious despite that it’s not serious for you, just a game in your mind.
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    How hypocritical of you. You whine about people making things "about you" yet you turn around and do the same thing. I guess you don't practice what you preach eh Bobby?
     
  7. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    As usual YOU are way off topic. YOU just can’t stick to the subject because YOU are trying everything YOU can to try to bury it. YOUR tactics are not going to work because I will post updates as soon as they are available.

    So to get back to the actual topic of this thread. At this point we are waiting on a response to the letter from the Lawyers’ Committee to the US Attorney and a defense motion from the FBI/DOJ.
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Off topic!

    Back to the topic.

    Below is an excerpt from the filed petition:
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    Steven Jones has proven Harrit's paper wrong. The suppsoed "thermitic chips" are nothing more than primer paint. In a slide show presented by Jones, he shows a slide of the spectra of paint that matches Harrit's thermite chip spectra. No wonder Mark Basile hasn't verified Harrit's work with his own independent study!

    WHOOPS!
     
  9. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Finally.

    That would sure be a major conundrum since they are co-authors of the exact same paper.

    The paper was allegedly peer reviewed and I have never found any claim by any peer that contradicted or challenged their findings. And so the paper was published unchallenged last I heard. Furthermore, the only paper I ever heard of that makes the claim that it was "primer paint" was from a guy named Jim Millette who allegedly has ties to the US government and did not use the same dust used by the Harritt team. And Millette's findings were challenged.

    http://www.takeourworldback.com/millettepaintchips.htm

    I believe the challenge explains it.

    What does Basile have to do with this discussion, especially since he hasn't verified or refuted the Harritt findings?

    "Whoops" what? Did you slip and fall and hurt yourself?

    The thermite/thermate/nano-thermite issue is only one theory used as supporting evidence by the grand jury petition and the lawsuit. There is so much more to it than that, so even if it turns out to be irrelevant it doesn't change very much of anything. The central issue is that the 3 towers were allegedly control demolished and did not collapse naturally as a result of the official claims. How that was done is yet to be determined. Further, that 9/11 was not legitimately investigated and that there is a demand for a legitimate investigation and rightly so.

    The question for you is because it's so obvious you want to try to refute these cases any possible way you can (not that you're relevant to them in any way, shape or form or have any expertise in the matter), what are you so afraid of? If you're so confident that the OCT is 100% correct and it can't possibly be found wrong in any of its claims, you should be very confident that the grand jury will agree with that and the FBI/DOJ lawsuit will also turn out to be a exercise in futility (not that it won't be either way). So you should welcome these challenges to the OCT, no?

    I'm admittedly not an expert in these areas of scientific study and for sure neither are you. So I would say let the grand jury and the courts decide along with the experts. Your constant OCT defense and denials to anything and everything that challenge it are really tedious and make no sense to me unless you have some kind of stake in this on behalf of the US government. I know I do for sure on behalf of humanity since I am a part of humanity and so are my children and grandchildren. I have a need to know the truth about 9/11 wherever that truth lies and I know it doesn't lie with the US government and their phony OCT. For me these cases are likely to go nowhere but they may reveal a lot more than has already been revealed and that is important in itself. And if you are really after the truth (and that is highly questionable), you should welcome a thorough legitimate investigation as well. But all your posts indicate otherwise.
     
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    what photo are you 2 going on about and what about the columns? ... are we diverting from pyroclastic clouds now? ...

    *facepalm* ... I'm shocked that a supposed adult believes this nonsense ...
     
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    I don't know about anyone else but I am, I'm diverting back to the topic of this thread.

    A supposed adult who believes the OCT should not be shocked about anyone else's beliefs. These 2 court actions being discussed in this thread are ALL about exposing the OCT for the fairy tale it is.
     
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    No, it IS a major conundrum.

    The bottom line is this Bobby and anyone with a brain can see it.

    Harrit and his cronies published a paper certain chips were thermitic/thermite/thermate. Harrit failed to do something that would have ended this debate years ago and that was to publish the spectra of the two types of primer paint used on the steel and compare those to his supposed thermitic chip. The fact that he had primer paint chips in his hands and failed to analyze them is beyond stupid. Instead, he went to an outside published paper for paint values. Then Steven Jones come along and shows the spectra of a primer paint chip that matches Harret's supposed thermitic chip. I don't need to be a chemist or expert in the field to understand that the two spectra (paint and supposed thermite chips) are the same.

    Most everything else in your post was about me and off topic. Once again, take your own advice about sticking to the topic. That's what you've been recently whining about isn't it?
     
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    (Followed by the usual irrelevant denial rant)

    The bottom line is that the official 9/11 narrative is being disputed and challenged in court by a petition for a grand jury investigation and a lawsuit vs the FBI/DOJ. And anyone with a brain can see it by reading the posts in this thread. So the bottom line is not your denial rant despite that YOU believe “anyone with a brain” is supposed to see it’s the bottom line because that’s what you hope it is. Furthermore it’s the topic of this thread. The topic is not “let’s analyze the evidence”. That’s up to the grand jury to analyze and a judge and jury in the case of the lawsuit.
     
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    FYI, the judge assigned to the federal complaint vs the FBI/DOJ is Trevor Neil McFadden, appointed by Trump.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Thank you.

    That does not bode well.
     
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    I wouldn't expect any judge to be fair in this case and act like a real judge. Too bad we couldn't get someone like Andrew Napolitano.
     
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    The following Grand Jury Petition Supplement Cover Letter was sent to the US Attorney via Fedex on March 12, 2019 and likely received the next day:

    https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/12-march-2019-supplement-cover-letter/

    It contains 5 significant questions posed to the US Attorney along with a request for timeliness and mutual cooperation in order to avoid potential Mandamus litigation. Included is also a statement that no response was received since an email was sent on November 24, 2018. More than 30 days have passed since the US Attorney received the letter and there is no sign of any response thus far. I'm guessing that the Lawyers' Committee is currently working on drafting a lawsuit for Mandamus litigation since it's more than obvious the US Attorney's initial letter claiming compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 3332 was apparently no more than lip service and the US Attorney has yet to present any evidence to any grand jury. IMO there is a question of whether a grand jury jury has even been assembled. Unfortunately this is all done under cover of secrecy even when it is ongoing.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Exactly! Lip Service is the government' stock in trade.

    The perps control the entire government, including the judiciary, just as my cynical lawyer friends predicted.

    Too bad.
     
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    yet another conspiracy theory Bob? ... then again, a double jury must be hard to assemble ...
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Most likely a conspiracy fact, not theory.
     
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    Based on what? The US Attorney is only one person and it's his and only his responsibility to follow the law in this case. A conspiracy would necessitate 2 or more people acting in concert to commit a crime. I understand you hate dictionaries but you should really try to look up the definition of "conspiracy" since it's obvious you have no clue what it is.

    More like impossible since there is no such thing. Please try to stick to the topic of this thread, preferably in an intelligent manner, so far you show you don't have a clue and you're inventing irrelevant issues that make no sense.

    The US Attorney has only responded only once to my knowledge and there no evidence thus far that he has assembled a grand jury and submitted the filed evidence to them. This is a concern and contrary to the US Attorney's claim and may cause the Lawyers' Committee to begin Mandamus action proceedings.
     
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    The only conspiracy fact there is with respect to these actions is a conspiracy of suppression/silence to keep Americans in the dark about these legal actions. The only article published by any media source (Courthouse News) was quickly withdrawn the following day.

    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/516...ly-fair-and-accurate-coverage-of-9-11-lawsuit
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Demonstrating how thorough and deliberate the cover-up is, revealing the perps.
     
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    60 days and counting. There's no reason to wait any longer, it's more than obvious this phony US Attorney refuses to follow the law. Yet another fake state actor quaking in fear of exposing the truth about 9/11. You would think if they're so confidant the official fairy tale is reality they would have no problem testing it in a legal venue. A petition for Writ of Mandamus is strictly about compelling these phony government officials to do the job they were hired or elected to do. There should never be any reason to force any government official to do his/her job. Anyone who fails to do that violates their Oath of Office and should be impeached (or fired), then prosecuted. The penalty if found guilty should be to refund all the money they were paid while in office, as well as some time behind bars. These kinds of actions are pervasive and symptomatic of why the US does not have a legitimate government.
     
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    Bob

    They are not confidant that the OCT is true. Quite the opposite--they know damn well it is completely false. That is why they won't investigate.

    The simple truth is the entire government, with the exception of a few good men, mostly whistleblowers, is utterly corrupt.

    The cover-up is worse than the crime.
     
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