911 WTC World Trade Towers, Did Thermate do This?

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    ok lets try again.

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    WOW look at those flames! WTG!

    I could have thousands of people do this 24/7.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puS5HudJj1A"]How to make home-made iron filings![/ame]

    you know if we got that kid to do that faster I bet we would have a flame thrower huh? BBWWWHAHAHAHA

    now do you need me to explain what this child is doing here or can y9ou figger it out on your own?
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look at that. You answered your own question right there in your post. The unoxidized iron in this video is exposed to oxygen slowly. There's plenty of time for the heat of oxidation to be dissipated into the sand paper, into the iron, and into the atmosphere. The actual surface area of unoxidized iron exposed to O2 at any given moment is minimal.

    You're suggesting an entire column worth of steel turned to dust in just a few seconds.

    Yeah, you'd have to have thousands of people doing that 24/7 to create a comparable amount of filings. If you measured all of the heat released during all that filing you might come close to the amount of heat that would have had to have been released if what you are suggesting is true.

    In fact. Let's speed up what your video shows just a little bit.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ms495wcnF8"]Angle Grinder Cutting Angle Iron - YouTube[/ame]

    Those sparks aren't glowing at over 1000 degrees due to heat generated by friction. They are burning at over 1000 degrees because iron is pyrophoric. The iron in the above video is combusting. That's what oxidation is.

    If you rapidly reduce an entire steel beam to little particles of dust in the open air, that's what it would look like.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    lol

    its from friction.

    you will ruin any allen wrench by grinding it even submerged due to the heat from friction of grinding. yawn

    ok next red herring
     
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    No, that's not friction. (It's also not an Allen wrench, but why point out every one of your mistakes?)

    Curious: do you know what a spark test is and why it works? I'm just a laymen, but I learned about that long ago in shop class. (Hint: it has nothing to do with friction.)
     
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    you never seem to get it lately. are you ok? there is no mistake. if you claim its not an allen wrench then you know what I am talking about and trying to create a distraction to protect your pal by being obtuse.
     
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    Curious: do you know what a spark test is and why it works? I'm just a laymen, but I learned about that long ago in shop class. (Hint: it has nothing to do with friction.)

    By the way, what is your explanation for what you claim to see in your low quality gifs? You have yet to make a stand.
     
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    I guess Koko can't tell the difference between an Allen wrench, angle iron, and a steel column. Go figure.

    Nope. It's not. Friction does not account for the total heat shown in the video above. In fact, it's just a small percentage of the heat. The majority comes from the oxidation of iron. I'd show you how to calculate heat from friction, but I have very little faith you'd have a clue what I was talking about. I can't even get you to acknowledge the heat of oxidation.
     
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    LOL. The entertainment never ceases. :mrgreen:

    Cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

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    by that standard friction accounts for very little heat on a match head too! LMAO

    get real
     
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    Curious: do you know what a spark test is and why it works? I'm just a laymen, but I learned about that long ago in shop class. (Hint: it has nothing to do with friction.)

    By the way, what is your explanation for what you claim to see in your low quality gifs? You have yet to make a stand.
     
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    Friction accounts for very little heat released by a match. Try even lighting a match on a piece of sandpaper instead of the red phosphorous strip. Go ahead. Try. I'll wait and then explain after you fail.
     
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    it lit just fine, another epic fail!
     
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    You didn't even try, did you? That's just sad.

    Modern matches are lit by a chemical process that requires very little heat from friction. The matchbook cover is coated in red phosphorous and silica. This red phosphorus is heated by the friction between the match head and the silica and white phosphorous vapor is created. This friction does not generate more then 40 degrees C. (About 104 degrees F) The white phosphorous vapor ignites at 30 degrees C and this is what ignites the sulfur in the match head which in turn ignites the paper or wood the match is made from. The initial heat from the friction between the match head and the phosphorus coating is no where near enough to ignite the wood or paper of the match on its own. It's the combustion of the white phosphorus, and sulfur that ignites the match.

    Again, not friction, combustion.
     
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    how mantches work and lighting farts has nothing to do with the fact that y9ou are incapable of explaining the requirements necessary for steel dust to burst into flames as you claim which I find hilarious. any more red herrings?
     
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    If you wanted to stay on topic then perhaps you should have refrained from bringing up matches. You brought up matches and friction so I corrected your error. All the fish in this thread have been your fish. If you want fewer fish stop adding new ones to the aquarium.

    I'd welcome a return to the topic, however.

    What is your explanation for the video you posted? You think steel turned to dust. What caused this? How is steel turning to dust on a scale that large possible? What prevented the rapid oxidation of free iron? What generated the energy necessary to break the crystalline structure of the steel?
     
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    you are the gubafia and its your responsibility to thoroughly investigate and provide that information in your reports.

    where is it?

    Further you were going to show off and give us all those conditions required for powdered steel to light on fire.

    So far you failed miserably and could not even "properly" state one condition.

    flint and sand paper and oxlate and cutting wheels, all failures.

    Now matches in your dream world. I am taking notes on how crazy you people get LOL
     
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    Curious: do you know what a spark test is and why it works? I'm just a laymen, but I learned about that long ago in shop class. (Hint: it has nothing to do with friction.)

    By the way, what is your explanation for what you claim to see in your low quality gifs? You have yet to make a stand.
     
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    do you have better ones? LOL

    of course I know what a spark test is.
     
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    so what is your explanation of titanium? Hmmmmm?


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvolSLJ5ax0"]Titanium Sparks - YouTube[/ame]


    better yet how about calcium? How does that go up in flames since it too is pyrophoic and there was lots of that around getting blown to dust!!! LOL

    Do tell!
     
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    This has never been proven to the best of my knowledge.
     
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    Didn't you just have a hissy fit about things going off topic? What does titanium or calcium have to do with the collapse? Are you finally admitting that elements can combust at room temperature?
     
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    are you kidding LOL

    I am pointing out that your whole premise is part of your living nightmare.

    YOu will say anything regardless how ridiculous it is.

    as I have proven time and time again
     
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    You men like 'steel turned to dust'?
     
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    you can see that but you have to look at it LOL
     
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    It' generally hard to see something that's impossible

    Nothing turns steel to dust,save time and oxidation.

    Period.
     
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