911 WTC World Trade Towers, Did Thermate do This?

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  1. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So now that this thread is about to wrap up, I think we can all conclusively agree that Koko has no explanation for his claim that steel turned to dust, that he doesn't understand the science behind steel turning to dust, and that he's completely uninhibited by the crushing embarrassment of repeatedly being shown how wrong his premise truly is.
     
  2. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Yes proving these guys to be total fraud and lying is so embarrassing!


    First he says:

    Its not a typo because he said it many times through out the thread.

    Then he posted this:

    with this video and the first thing they say is that it is NOT Fe!

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adhE1m2vX38"]Pyrophoric Iron[/ame]



    Me well I am just me:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8"]I am the God of Hell Fire[/ame]
     
  3. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Now maybe we can continue this discussion and try and find what caused that steel to turn to dust?



    Look at that, you can see 4 columns tip over and turn to toothpicks! What the hell is up with that?


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    WOW look at that just bursts into a poof of dust and floats to the ground! Amazing!


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    This one is pure white again columns bursting into dust.

    I am standing besides myself!


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    Oh and the slo mo still shot. What a ball kicker that is. who could believe it if we didnt see with our own eyes.


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    I am STILL WAITING for the official explanation how steel can turn to dust!

    Anyone have a "reasonable" answer?

    as in believable?

    Thernate cannot cause that.
     
  4. DDave

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    True. But when the mods close this one, in true sock fashion, kookoo will just start another very similar thread like the other sock does with his 93 buried BS.

    Nothing because the steel did not turn to dust as has been explained to you over and over in this thread. I for one have enjoyed watching kookoo get his ass handed to him in this thread. Very entertaining indeed. :-D
     
  5. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    you are continuing to promote a LIE!

    I called you on the lie, the chemistry equation proves you are lying, numerous web sites prove you are lying.

    You have been shown the truth and you continue to promote your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and that is a LIE.




    How to make Iron(II) Oxalate

    Iron(II) Oxalate can be produced using a water-soluble Iron salt and Oxalic acid. Iron Oxalate has a low solubility so it may be easily precipitated by mixing solutions of Fe+2 (aq) and Oxalic acid, H2C2O4.​
    Solutions of Iron salts such as Iron(II) Sulfate, FeSO4, and Iron(II) Chloride, FeCl2, would work well for preparation of Iron(II) Oxalate. Simply mix the Fe+2 (aq) and Oxalic acid solutions and yellow precipitate should form.

    Ignoring the spectator ions, the reaction proceeds as follows,

    Fe+2(aq)+C2O4^-2(aq) -> FeC2O4(s)


    Once the precipitation is complete, one can filter out and wash the Iron(II) Oxalate, then allow it to dry before crushing it into a powder.




    How to Make Pyrophoric Iron

    Pyrophoric Iron can be produced through the decomposition of Iron(II) Oxalate, FeC2O4, by heating. Upon heating, Iron Oxalate will decompose into Iron metal and Carbon Dioxide gas as in the reaction shown below.

    FeC2O4 = Fe + 2CO2

    NOT Fe AS HE CLAIMED FE+2C02

    FeC2O4 Does not = Fe as he claimed, it is a LIE

    When the decomposition reaction is performed properly one will be left with a finely powdered, pyrophoric, Iron metal powder.​
    Materials


    • Iron(II) Oxalate (See how to make iron oxalate below)
    • Test Tube (and Test Tube Clamp to hold test tube)
    • Gas Torch
    Procedure

    Place a small amount of Iron Oxalate powder into a test tube and then heat the bottom of the test tube with a gas torch (for example a Propane torch). To reduce stress on the glass and decrease the chance of it breaking, try to heat the test tube evenly with the torch and do not place it too deeply into the flame.

    It will not take long before the yellow Iron Oxalate begins to decompose leaving a black Iron powder behind. As the decomposition reaction proceeds the Iron Oxalate will give off Carbon Dioxide gas which will likely agitate the powder inside the test tube and cause some of it to be ejected along with the outgoing CO2 gas stream; it would be wise to avoid breathing these fumes. Initially, before the reaction really gets going, it may be necessary to gently shake the test tube so as to help the CO2 get to the surface and prevent gas pockets from developing in the powder.​





    which changes to Fe+2CO2,

    This process did not occur at the wtc buildings unless you want to claim that the columns were iron oxalate and someone sat there with a blow torch heating it.





     
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    If you actually read what you just pasted, you will see that what comes out of the test tube and reacts with oxygen is iron powder. Well done, you just proved Fangbeer's entire point.

    Of course it didn't happen at the WTC. That's what we've been saying since the very beginning: steel did not turn to dust at the WTC. Congrats, your latest post proves your whole premise wrong.

    To sum up, the post above shows that iron reacts to oxygen with a release of energy, evidenced by heat and light. Since these conditions were not observed in the posted gifs, we know that the iron did not 'turn to dust'.

    Well done, Jojo.
     
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    The relevant portion, in case you missed it.
     
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    more of your same [​IMG]



    it is activated into a reagent that reacts with oxygen.

    in other words it REQUIRES THAT PROCESS TO CREATE A REACTANT starved of oxygen then when RAPIDLY mixed with oxygen will burst into flames.

    Absolutely does not apply to this thread and a complete red herring.

    you are the one who does not understand the process and he is the one pulling a fast one.

    Thermate works the same way with aluminum and iron oxide. Iron oxide supplies the oxygen.

    Like I said you are not qualified to discuss this or you would know it was converted to a reactive reagent.


    For any readers that doubt what I am saying here is the process to achieve what fang is pretending would have had to happen at the wtc! unreal!

    It shows how completely ridiculous his red herring lie is.


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2HHuUMkg58"][Ferrous Oxalate Synthesis] [Pyrophoric Iron] - YouTube[/ame]



    so much for the resident self proclaimed chemistry experts!!!! hilarious!

    So you can stop posting all that pyrophoric rubbish in my thread now.
     
  9. Hannibal

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    You missed the relative sentence again. Here it is:

    Yes, it leaves a reactive agent. The reactive agent was ....


    ... wait for it ...

    Iron powder! :)

    The powder was then introduced into the air (oxygen) and it reacted - releasing energy and displaying heat and light.

    This did not occur at WTC, therefore, iron (steel) was not turned to powder there.

    I don't see why you need to keep proving this simple point over and over again. We get it:

    Steel did not 'turn to powder' at the WTC.

    Edited to add: the video you posted supports Fangbeer's claim in the first minute and a half. Did you watch it?
     
  10. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You think the decomposition of Iron Oxalate is the only way to make elemental iron? You'd be wrong again. We won't get into that just yet, but if you ever decide to try and explain how you think the steel of the WTC was turned to dust, we'll probably have to cover it.

    I think a lesson in chemical equations is in order. Perhaps Koko will realize his mistake and apologize for calling people liars all willy nilly. In a chemical equation each individual substance's chemical formula is separated from others by a plus sign. Thus "Fe + CO2" on the product side of the equation means that iron and carbon dioxide are two separate substances in the tube.

    The next equation we need to look at is "Fe + O2 →. FeO + energy" which I conveniently posted earlier in this thread. This equation shows us the oxidation of iron. This is what happens when the test tube is tipped over, and the Fe spills out into the atmosphere. Clearly we can see that CO2 is not required for this reaction to take place.

    Koko kept demanding to know what is required for iron to oxidize. The required elements are Fe and O as anyone can see from the equation above. CO2 is not required for iron to oxidize and release heat.
     
  11. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another way to make elemental iron that can rapidly oxidize is to grind iron with a grinder. We can see this process in the other video I posted. This process removes small pieces of iron from beyond the passivisation layer and exposes it to oxygen in the atmosphere. This reaction releases heat which we can see and we call it a spark.

    If steel turned to dust as Koko claims, we would see similar sparks in the dust, as free iron oxidized and released heat. This did not happen, so we can be sure that steel did not turn to dust.
     
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    This thread is past 50 pages/500 posts, and has therefore been closed.

    Please start a new thread if you want to continue the debate.
     
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