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In what part of the gold old USA do two guys with guns LEGALLY get to stop someone to "talk?"

The threat of the gun is assault.
They pursued him and he tried to evade them PROVING he was no threat to them.
It was, in fact, as shown on the video, their attack on him that prompted him to defend himself.
Watch the video with sound. The first shot was fired as Arbery rounded the front of the truck.

 

Well it the person you suspect burglarized you is down the street yes you have to go that direction if you want to speak with them and yes they told him to stop they wanted to talk to him. And the conclusion Aubery assaulted him is in the video. He runs down the right side of the truck, he had clear ground in front of him and to his right but then takes a hard turn to the left and assaults Travis and engages in a struggle with him and the gun is discharged during that struggle.

Is there any evidence the gun was pointed at Aubery before the assault? No.
Is there any evidence they yelled to him stop our I'll shoot you? No.
Is there evidence the McMichaels had reason to believe Aubery was armed? Yes
Is there evidence Aubery had a state of mind NOT to wait for police to arrive and resolve the situation? Yes.
Is there evidence the McMichaels called the police before they pursued the suspicious person? Yes.

Is a jury going to have a tough time based on the evidence at hand? Yes.

 

What a load of racist drivel.

Find me a video of two black guys chasing down a white jogger in their pickup truck and shooting him down with their shotguns and maybe you have a point.

 

Do Whites in your state have a right to point guns at people for no reason? And then kill them when they try to protect themselves?

 

The incident in Michigan was stupid but not racism.
The incident in Georgia was stupid and was murder but may or may not have been racism.

That the Prosecutor failed to charge in Georgia IS racism.
Those defending the killers in Georgia are being racist.

 

Did Travis McMicheal know Ahmaud's past when he chased him down? Did he know for a fact Ahmaud was the person who had been burgalrizing homes in that neighborhood? NO.
What they should have done was call the police if Ahmaud looked suspcious and left it at that. Who the hell are they to arrest somebody?

 

Hmm.. The incident in MI was murder. Why apologize for that? Why do you feel like either is more egregious than the other? Because you feel that hunting down a black guy in GA is worse than hunting down a black guy in MI? That seems remarkably racist on your part.

 

It has been stated over and over that there is no evidence they pointed their guns. Perhaps you haven't read much of the thread.

 

Yeah let's throw the racism card around for anyone that disagrees with your position. That makes for a healthy discussion. /sarcasm

 

From the video, it looks like the guy in the bed of the truck is already pointing his gun at the jogger by the time he starts running around the vehicle. The guy with the shotgun is obviously pointing his gun at him when he comes back into frame.

They had no grounds to perform a citizens arrest. He did have reason to believe his life was in danger. He was being chased by two armed guys in a truck who proceeded to try to block his escape. Period.

 

Found it. https://www.news4jax.com/news/georg...erges-of-fatal-shooting-of-unarmed-black-man/

 

You're leaving out that they ordered him to stop, and that they had their guns out. And you're doing that in order to claim that their was no seizure. But the guns were out and the demands were yelled. I can't change that. The killers admits this in the police report. That makes it a seizure.

The murderer was standing in the middle of the freaking road with his gun out, when he was ordering him around.

You have zero rights to pull out your gun and order a person to stop without having seen that person committing a crime earlier. With that, you simply are seizing somebody illegally, which is kidnapping. It's a crime. You get punished. No kidnapper and so potential rapist has the right to just shoot somebody out of self defense if your victim has a problem with your criminal kidnapping way. It's absolutely NUTS to claim the world is upside down.

And it is indeed so that a citizen is allowed to make a citizens arrest against a person who commits a crime.
The red necks committed the crime, hence Arbery had the right of self defense while busy with a citizens arrest.

I have no doubt that in rather backward US, were racism is institutionalized (and I can prove that, no worries) that the jury will say that these 2 red necks had the right to hunt down an innocent black man, without seeing themselves if it was he who committed a crime, and kill 'm like a KKK lynching mob would do in the 1920's. Tables would be turned if it were 2 black dudes from the hood hunted down some little Jewish girl. We all know how it is in the US.

 

In NY you can only use force to detain someone if they 100% did commit a crime.

you can only use deadly force, such as pointing a loaded firearm, if you know 100% they committed a crime and are carrying a weapon.

if you simply think he MAY be a criminal and is not armed, you can be charged with unlawful arrest.

 

they have a right to defend themselves against illegal deadly force, such as pointing a loaded gun at them when they have committed no crime and are not armed

 

ONLY police have a right to point a gun at a POSSIBLE unarmed criminal to detain them.

 

No its not. Two were recused on the basis of perceived bias to the accused. A grand jury doesn't have to be unanimous, it just needs to be a majority and will pick the level at which these guys will be tried.

 

Yeah I just can't tell from that video. I would think they could enhance that video because that would certainly be a significant factor.

 

They brandished the weapons, the father was riding in the back with the gun drawn before Ahmuad circled the truck. White or black, I would be scared the second time they stopped in front of me too and would have done the same as Ahmuad.

 

indeed, pointing a loaded gun at someone is a violent act that one can defend themselves against. or they could run away. this guy chose to defend himself.

 

I don't care what anyone wants to call it, these guys had no right to make Ahmuad stop "just to talk". They tried twice with at least one gun drawn, might not have been pointed at him but was out, and he can reasonably assume they mean him harm.

 

GA is probably the most liberal of the southern states. It only has had a Republican governor since 2001. They almost elected a socialist in 2018. "Racist" the state as a whole is NOT. Some racist do remain just like there are racist in every state. This is a case of one racist, maybe two, but the father is definitely racist and brought his son along for a ride to "catch the black guy" who they targeted and had zero evidence of being the one breaking into homes in the neighborhood.

 

Doesn' matter, if you get put of your vehicle with a weapon that is a threat.

 

Especially after chasing someone down and trying to block their escape.

 

Prove a loaded gun was pointed at him and if the intent was to kill him why did the fight ensue why didn't Travis pull the trigger when Aubery ran by? Someone have a shotgun pointed at you and there's 12' between you are you really going to charge at that person?

 

Prove the shotgun was pointed at Aubrey.

This is exactly what I have talked about here, people making judgments here based of false information.