A 25-year-old black man was shot dead in Georgia while jogging, prompting online protests labeling t

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  1. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    I looked but the local news didn't say who pushed the charges. I figured since the grand jury was being called, they were the ones who pushed the charges.
     
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    Where was the felony assault?

    Simple Assault: Attempting to commit a violent injury on someone else or putting them in a situation where it’s reasonable they can be injured in such a manner. No actual physical touching is necessary to violate the law. Words can be enough. For example, threatening to break someone's neck, if done in a menacing manner, can be considered simple assault.

    Aggravated Assault: Assaulting someone:
    (1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;
    (2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used
    offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury; or
    (3) Shooting a firearm from within a
    motor vehicle toward a person or persons.
    https://statelaws.findlaw.com/georgia-law/georgia-assault-and-battery-laws.html

    There is no evidence they verbally threaten him with violence or to shoot him or actually injured Arbery before he charged at someone legally hold a gun. I have asked you several times to prove Travis pointed the gun at Arbery before Arbery attacked him and you have provided nothing.
     
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    Has Trump pardoned any racist murderer in the past 3 years, or has it been more of the minority community that were in jail for weed?
     
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    Ahmaud's first reaction wasn't violence, he ran away. They confronted him multiple times and when Ahmuad felt he couldn't get away from 3 people with guns and cars, he felt like his life was in danger and acted by defending himself.
     
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    wow, you just dont get it!!

    when a black person is told by a white man to stop, he is supposed to stop!!!!!

    those are the rules.
     
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    Yesterday? You know there was absolutely zero reasons for the FBI to question Flynn right? Therefore nothing he said, lie or truth, was admissible to charging Flynn for a crime right?
     
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    Assault with a deadly weapon is aggravated assault.
     
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    And you don't?
     
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    It wasn't parked, it was moving to the left to cut him off because Ahmaud was trying to get around it. Then they got out of the vehicle with guns drawn. Travis was 5 feet in front of the Truck before Ahmaud got to him so he tried to defend himself. Again, this was the SECOND time Travis and Greg had Ahmaud confronted by their own admission.
     
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    You say "right" twice, like anybody is agreeing with you...

    Perfectly good reason to question Flynn.... Called a transcript of somebody potentially violating US law...

    Happens everyday...
     
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    I know youre being sarcastic, but I think this scenario is a serious one. I don't like the hyperboles and hypotheticals or broad brush strokes of racism. These two had no reason to suspect Ahmaud of the SINGLE burglary other than "its a black guy like the video". And they had ZERO right to make an citizens arrest under GA law because they had no first hand knowledge of a crime.
     
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    How often does what happen to white joggers.
     
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    The older McMichael is a retired criminal investigator. He might actually be trained and experience in such matters.
     
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    Predicated off a lie. I know this isn't the thread for this, so if you want to respond to get the last word, have at it.
     
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    Living out one more ride of the glory days. He still had zero right to confront or detain Ahmaud since he didn't have FIRST hand knowledge. Seeing it on video is NOT first hand, that's at least second hand knowledge.
     
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    You got to meet the simply assault first and then the aggravated. You don't get injured by just talking.
     
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    Nope, I'm good... (couldn't resist).

    :handshake:

    You are correct.. Flynn for another thread and another day...
     
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    You mean the men that Hillary said were Super Predators?
     
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    When you commit aggravated assault (ie assault employing a deadly weapon) and someone dies as a result, its not an accident and its not imperfect self defense. Accident and imperfect self defense being how you get manslaughter outside of a plea bargain. They hunted him through the streets without cause, this was not self defense. They attacked him, a struggle ensued and he died. That's depraved heart murder, which is what they were charged with.
     
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    Injury is not required. It is in the text you quoted, jeez.
     
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    I suspect that's what the prosecution will argue at trial. The defense will likely argue that he attacked Travis McMichael, or that at least there are some reasonable doubts about the prosecution's "they attacked him" claim.

    FWIW, the evidence I've seen thus far doesn't get me to "beyond a reasonable doubt". In the video, I see Travis McMichael moving from left of the truck to behind it, and Ahmaud Arbery moving from right of the truck to behind it (well, in front of it really, but obscured from the camera's view). The critical action happens on the far side of the truck, where the camera can't see: the two men start fighting, a shot is fired, and then they come out from behind the truck struggling over a shotgun. Who attacked who there where the camera didn't see? I don't know. I don't think anybody really does at this point except the McMichaels, and they're saying it was Ahmaud. That's probably enough reasonable doubt for a "not guilty" verdict.
     
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    I saw a report that said he was jogging in his own neighborhood. This fact is crucial if you're considering justifiable homicide vs murder. If Mr. Arbery was jogging in his own neighborhood then I say hang the people who murdered him.
     
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    Not sure of your subject or target audience. But I don't think his death had to do with his race. And as far as stats go, blacks kill twice as many whites as the reverse. Per capita, that ten times as many. So this notion that blacks are being killed by whites all over the place is not only not true, but is the exact opposite of the truth.
     
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