A False Dilemma, in Atheism

I am not what you call a "traditional Christian".....let's get our communication straight. I and others look to Jesus and his sacrifice for our meaning in life. Don't confuse us with "Mainline Religion". You take 'evil practices" which are not in the best interests of individuals, and confuse that with "liberty".

"Standfast therefore in the liberty where with Christ has set us free and be not entangled again in the yoke of bondage. For brothers we have been called to liberty only use not liberty as an occasion to serve the flesh but by love.....serve one another."

This Easter, try setting the Easter Bunny aside for a minute and introspectively contemplate what Jesus laid His life down for on our behalf. He suffered immensely so we could have liberty, and another chance. Then He overcame death so we, who have been dead in our sin could live once again. Both now, and eternally.

 

A wise man once told me...."The demons of hell cannot touch the Word of God, but the traditions of man can make it 'seem' to have no effect". Those words explain mainline religion and atheism as well as it's effects the worldview.

 

Actually, the false dilemma would seem to be on the part of the religious. They demand that they be left alone to worship as they wish while still insisting that all others worship as they are told. Quite hypocritical, imo.

 

What "wise man" was this? A theist by his words and failing to see that there may be good reason for others to believe differently.

 

A personal friend of mine that I deem to be a Godly man and wise. I've seen his words come to fruition. Of course others believe differently, that is expected, even predicted. So do you discount your beliefs because others believe differently? Are you a go along to get along type? Some go to Church on Christmas and Easter and don't know a thing about Jesus. They call themselves "Christian" because they follow traditions.

 

No one insists you worship as I do.

 

Actually, as I have stated before, I really don't care what others believe as long as they don't obviously lie and try to force others to believe as they do.

Even you should be able to understand that, but have shown no inkling that you do.

 

BS. If that were true you would have many fewer posts on the subject that try to tell others what they think and how they have to worship. At least try and be honest with yourself, for once.

 

You tell em!

State atheism - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
State atheism is the incorporation of positive atheism or non-theism into political regimes, .... The Russian Orthodox Church, which had 54,000 parishes before World War I, was reduced to 500 by 1940. A meeting of the Antireligious ...
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Thank God atheists are above that huh.....

 

A good example of what happens when a church in this case the Russian Orthodox church gets too invested in the political arena. They backed the wrong dictator and suffered for it.

 

BS.....You would just like me to be quiet about what I believe. Try and be honest with everyone. You just don't like what I believe. This thread is about atheism. I just don't think it is a good idea. You want me to worship the object you worship. You would like everyone to turn their back to God. That's not happening and it gets your panties in a knot!

 

The projection you display is almost painful to watch.

 

I wonder if, moderators staying out of it, if he would like to know what others truly think about him.

 

I doubt very much that he would "Like" to know.

 

Don't project self worship on others. It was for you and you alone.

 

And one more time, projection, especially when you know you are wrong.

You are so predictably and constantly wrong in all of your accusations.

 

That is logical, I agree. Those of us of "faith" do not claim absolute evidence. We do see evidence of things unseen. We understand there are things that blind many to those things unseen....it is a given. We do embrace a "hope" based on the evidence we see. Personally, I do see a number of things in the scripture that appeal to my logic and I love to share those with those that have a mind that can consider. It is a waste of time to those that have a solid anti God belief system.

 

Or are you wasting your time on things that you admit cannot see or quantify.

Guess which one is more likely...wrong, your insistence on the unknown is more likely wrong.

 

That is exactly why you are Godless....what else is new? Can you honestly disagree that there are things unseen you absolutely know nothing about???....or do you insist you are a god unto yourself? that is why I perceive you as a self worshipper. Yet the ruler of this world has seen to blind the eyes of many and I understand that. It as many other things, was told long ago. Men would worship created things rather than the Creator.

 

Yes I can say that there are things I no absolutely nothing about, however if you and I know absolutely nothing about them why insert a god in there, by doing so you are actually claiming something about what you in the same breath claim you know nothing about! That is the theist dilemma, when faced with a void of knowledge and truth their beliefs insist they insert god!

 

And you insert chance. That takes a deal of faith.

 

Where do I insert chance? Another made up strawman. No doubt you will ignore the fact you made it up and argue against yourself again for a page or two!

 

What! Are you just babbling to babble or do you actually thin k that you are making sense?

This is one of your less intelligent diatribes and that is sayin g a lot. You continue to assign your own fantasies to others (this has been discussed), make unsupported assumptions and claim understanding of that which you have already stated you do not understand. Beyond pitiful.

 

For someone to claim something is logical, they have to understand and demonstrate logic. You statement following your claim of logic just displays how you wish to twist the actual meanings of words to fit your own bigoted agenda.

 

I said earlier there is evidence of things unseen. How do you address those things??? The only evidence I see from the ungodly is.....chance. No organized intelligent effort.