A Preventative School Shooting Solution...Arm The Staff

You poor poor phuckwit, that's your entire system and it is only held together by keeping you nobodies squealing at each other.

 

Or turn the entirety of America into Port Moresby. Where 8 foot barbed wire fences and 24hr armed guards are standard. Whatever it takes to allow people to keep their dangerous toys.

 

I consider my wife, son, daughter, and myself doing that every day for ourselves thus saving the government a lot of money. We, with the help of Smith & Wesson and Sig Sauer are doing our part. How about you?

 

No, it isn't. It's about America's unique and outdated gun culture. The rest of the world (the western world, that is) manages just fine without 8 guns in the hall closet.

 

You are sadly out of touch on this topic. Do your research on what usually happens when a committed mass shooter does when he/she is confronted by ANY armed individual regardless of their training.

Hint: They immediately kill themselves.

 

Sounds like it's time for you to explore a move to Japan. I hear there are NO guns there, just a higher suicide rate.

 

Klebold and Harris at Columbine were fired on by a police officer BEFORE they committed most of their murders.

It had no effect whatsoever.

 

You missed the word "usually" in my post but,
Ok, now continue to prove your point. According to the lefties there are thousands more for you to peruse.
I will wait.

 

Putting a firearm on top of the teachers desk or on a hook on the wall probably won't be advisable.

A novice with some chance is better than being a sitting duck with no chance.

Like in SH, Ct. and this latest one, when the shooting starts would you figure that all you can do is sit there 'cuz your next anyway?

 

As I have said elsewhere here, retired military or police or permit holders can form a volunteer force run by the local police department.

Back when I was in the Air Force, I owned a Gold Cup National Match - an accurized version of the Colt .45 auto. One day, at a small range, I stepped off 80 yards and placed a Pepsi 12 ounce can on a post. I could hit that can twice out of 7 rounds in the magazine shooting from a rest with standard GI hardball ammo. I was keeping all my shots in an area the size of a basketball. Do not make another Liberal mistake and underestimate what an experienced person can do with a modern handgun. I doubt that that Florida shooter was anything near 80 yards from his targets.

 

Do it the way Israel does.
Armed guards ( IDF soldiers or police) at every school in Israel.


Problem with bad hombres illegally crossing the border.

Do it the way Israel did.

 

Ignoring the obvious. That Israel is a very tiny country both population wise and geographically.

 

Sure , arm the staff.

BUT only if:

They are willing.

They are willing to have two careers.

They are given free guns and free training (all paid for by taxpayers) .

They are immune from lawsuits after shooting the wrong person/people.

They are immune from prosecution if a school kid gets ahold of that convenient gun and uses it.

They get HUGE raises ( paid for by taxpayers) since they now have two jobs and a huge additional responsibility

 

Should we go back to pre 1865 and state rights and having 50 sovereign states and it becomes a state issue ?

That was America before the War Between the States.

 

I don't see how that's relevant.

 

None of this considers how responding LE are supposed to react to unknown armed people in an active shooter scenario.

 

Right now it seems to have become a federal issue.

The shooting was preventable, so many red flags and again the FBI dropped the ball and being reported today for the Director of the FBI to resign.

Here in Mexifornia most schools have already been fenced in with lock gates and some schools in blue cities already have metal detectors.

It's like being at the airport going through a TSA screening at some schools.

Is Wall Street open tomorrow ?

Should I purchase stock in Smith and Wesson, Sturm Ruger or some company that manufactures metal detectors ?

 

Police on campuses would be best, but they are the most expensive. My school district operates 10 schools. They simply could not afford to hire 10 full time police officers to guard all their schools.

Armed and trained security officers are less expensive.

Perhaps the least expensive would be to arm about 10-20% of the staff (volunteers) of every school. The expense would be limited to the training time, weapons, and supplies. I think the training could consist of about a week of intensive firearms training and then about 2-4 half days a year of ongoing training. The armed staff would be covert, and students would not know who they were. The down side to that is that the armed staff - to keep their weapons concealed - would be fairly lightly armed, without body armor, and without radio communication with police. But probably, better than nothing.

All kinds of people work in schools. They are not all a bunch of snowflakes. As a firearms trainer myself, I know that I can take a willing and physically fit person with no firearms experience and bring them up to a reasonably competent level in 5 days. Give me another 5 days, and they will be really quite good. Then give me 4 hour blocks of time with them 4 times a year to keep them tuned up. This would cost by far less than full time police or armed guards.

My school district has 577 total employees distributed among 10 schools. If 10% of them were trained and armed, that would mean 58 people in those schools would be able to respond to a shooter versus 0 right now. If 20% of them were trained, that would make 116 of them. I would say that a shooter would have a high probability of being engaged by gunfire quite quickly, and it would be a helluva deterrent.

 

APA's post is more relevant than your decerebrate post that I answered.

 

And that is something no republicans would not support.

Funny innit we too call to arm staff and who wants them not armed? Funny innit?

 

Of course it is, remember it's the DNC that coined the phrase "Never left a serious crisis go to waste"!



The DNC are heartless ghouls feeding off the dead!

 

My priest mentioned all the policies noted here and doubted any would matter. He argued changing our values, repentance, and moving away from violence, extreme sexuality, stressing success, and the like were the key. I agree only value changes will make a difference.

 

If 10% of them were trained and armed, that would mean 58 people in those schools would be able to respond to a shooter versus 0 right now.

There were two armed and presumably trained professionals. Regardless I don't think training i the issue. The issue is how many of the volunteers would be willing to shoot someone and put themselves in danger in the process particularly when it involves a rifle. I suspect it would be fairly few.

Most people, including most troops who are armed and trained for combat, dislike shooting others particularly when they are being shot at. Some estimates say only a few percent of combat troops actually fight when engaged (although those numbers are in dispute, still many don't imho).

 

Data for support of Seth.

Some parents were alarmed recently to learn that a school district near Sacramento allowed administrators and staff to bring guns to campus, but it turns out the district is one of at least three in California that permit select employees to pack heat.

The 20,000-student Folsom Cordova Unified School District has allowed some staff to bring guns to their jobs since 2010, but revealed the practice last month when the superintendent, Deborah Bettencourt, sent a letter to parents explaining the policy as a safety measure.

Seth, this is not in quotes since were it in quotes, it will vanish in one post.

"Our narrow practice of allowing select, law-abiding employees to securely store and access a firearm in the event of an emergency is a legal and appropriate safety measure given the unfortunate reality of violence in our society today," she wrote.

CA is lousy on guns laws but thankfully unless Democrats pass laws here to stop teachers, we have a few districts that believe in saving children's lives. More.............

Two other districts, the Kingsburg Joint Union High School District near Fresno and Anderson Union High School District in Shasta County, also allow non-law-enforcement staff to bring weapons to school.

"The three districts are acting within the law," said Craig Reynolds, chief of staff for state Sen. Lois Wolk (D-Davis), who introduced a recent bill that banned non-low enforcement staff from having concealed weapons on campus, although superintendents can grant exceptions.

At Folsom Cordova, some parents said they were surprised to learn of the district's policy. In an interview with CBS 13, parent Amy Dupree said: "I think I'd be more concerned that a child would get hold of the weapon and cause harm more than I'm concerned that it would stop anyone."

Only staff with concealed weapons permits are eligible under the district's policy. They also must have their own liability insurance and interview with Bettencourt, who also reviews their personnel file and disciplinary records. The employees also must undergo safety training and pay for a safe that requires a key and digital code.

 

It would be supported to a person.

A few dems, the few who have any sense, would support it as well.

It is a viable solution but not a complete gun ban and confiscation so the lib/progs will dismiss it.