A question to my liberal friends about Kavanaugh

This post is addressed to my liberal friends on this board and I'd like to see what they have to say regarding what I have to ask. Here we go.

Liberals constantly tell us they're the highly educated and intellectual elite. They criticize conservatives for not relying on the facts of settled science. In situations like selling cakes to gays, Muslim immigration, Hispanic deportations, etc, they tell us the law is the law.

So my question is, have any liberals who have already decided Kavanaugh's fate applied their intellect, science or the law in making that determination, or are you basing your decision along party lines and/or emotion? From what I can see, you're all basing your opinion on a letter, a letter which was held to the last minute seemingly to serve a specific purpose, and not on the criteria you hold so dear. You seemed to have made up your mind before this woman even testifies, heck, you've never even heard her voice or an accusation actually be uttered from her lips.

So what criteria are you applying when you determine he's guilty?

 

Isn't that really just assigning people positions that allow predetermined responses?

 

I mean, as a former Liberal, these were the things we bragged about. Being the smart, intellectual party and thumbing our noses at those deadbeat Southerners who ignore the technological revolution, etc.(They don't ignore it, many of their states are Plain States, as opposed to coastals like the North east to the Pacific.)

So it's not like he's assigning positions. He's asking Liberals if they're consistent with their stated beliefs or not. I left the party because we're not. Kavanaugh is proof that Liberalism is not about inclusion, tolerance and freedom. It's just about using those as buzzwords.

 

Cool story. Still not buying the fictional premise

 

Those aren't the positions of many liberals? Rather than debate that, what criteria are you using to determine Kav's guilt or innocence?

 

I think you were fooled into thinking you have liberal friends on this board.

 

Liberals only "seem to have made up their minds" if you listen to wingnuts like Hannity or Rush. But not in the real world.

In the real world we want an independent body to investigate this, and we want to hear from Kavannaugh and Dr. Ford. and the witnesses under oath! And we want an independent body like the FBI to investigate it. When the Anita Hill vs Thomas case, it took them 3 days to do this.

So you see... the real world and wingnut la la fantasy world are two different universes.

Now, as to what we want. Do you know of any reason why that shouldn't happen? If you can't give anything reasonable, then logical thinking demands that Occam's Razor be applied. By which the only possible conclusion would be that all those things would prove him guilty. But there is still time until the vote. After the vote... if this hasn't happen.... Occam will claim what is rightly his.

 

Not what you claimed. You claimed liberals are always telling you these things.

 

what??

 

How can anyone at this point say guilty or innocent?
Nothing has been done except he said, she said.
And likely, that might all there is.

 

Why is it that conservatives think that they have to pretend that they were once liberals? It is even done in political ads, some one will come and begin, "I used to be a Democrat....." And then go on to promote some Republican and Republican ideas. It isn't very believable.

As Jefferson once put it, once one opens their eyes, it is really hard to close them again.

 

Nice deliberate misquote, luckily my post stands.

 

So you base friendship on political views?

 

I don’t think you’ve been looking at the posts in the Current Events section where Kav has been called a rapist and kidnapper.

 

To your credit, I’ve seen some of your posts and you’ve been fair and consistent. Kudos, Margot.

 

No I don't. But you specifically said :liberal friends on this board"
If you have legitimate liberal friends on this board then I retract my statement.

 

I believe a lot of young people are liberals until the real world smacks them in the face.

 

I think we’re friends of a sort, I wouldn’t debate my enemies.

 

Then ask them. Not "liberals"./ But I must say that, judging by the OP, There are grounds to question your interpretation of those posts you mention, but don't quote.

Whatever happens, there will be good rational evidence once Kavannaugh is confirmed. Either because Republicans did the right thing, heard from the accusers, the witnesses... all under oath and after a proper independent investigation. Or because they didn't and just... "plowed him through". That's how we will know if he was guilty or not.

 

Fair enough, I haven't been here long enough to discover any liberals I would want to be friends with. Can you suggest any? Perhaps some of your "friends"?

 

Margot??

 

Bring us and them anything they can go on or start with and let's get started. Things like names that have not already denied being there or have any knowledge of the incident. Things like a date. Things like a location. Things like a time. Things like clear details not addimitedly foggy memories of if it was real or not. You know, stuff that would have helped an investigation by the local police that would have been done 37 years ago if this was not a stunt.

 

So an accusation isn't enough? Send the FBI!

 

First of all your OP speaks of this as if it were a trial. It isn't. My thoughts aren't legal nor are they along party lines. I will admit they are definetly liberal. To me Kavanaugh is applying for a job and based on what we've see so far would you hire him? I would have serious doubts. Now that Avanatti claims to have a third 'victim' it's only going to make choosing Kvanaugh all the more difficult. I think Dr. Ford's testimony this Thursday will have an impact on a lot of peoples thoughts, certainly both ways.

 

I suppose not in echo chamber society, one way I could prove it is give you my name and the fact that I was a frequent poster on the Obama message boards(surely, you remember that page back in '08. I think it was open in '12 too, but by then I was on my yoyage out.)

Thing is, giving the IRL name on a message board is kind of dumb(something I wish my 16 year old self realized.)