A ranking of the most immoral people ever, based on number of Jews harmed.

this is just so....

you need a reality check

this post is not worth my time... (read the 1st few sentences... that's all it took 4 me to know you are living in a fantasy world)

 

Yes, you forgot the Jews.

Between the years 1917 and 1991 preceding the collapse of the Soviet Union, it is estimated that these Communist Jews murdered somewhere between 60 and 135 Million innocent people.

Plus, approximately 1.5 Million Palestinian civilians have been killed since 1948.
The killing is still ongoing.

Plus, Blacks killed during the slave trades in which the Jews were heavily involved and responsible.

Plus, it was the Jews who arranged the crucifixion of Christ, our Savior.

 

They must have had wings.

 

IMO you need to read your favorite ethnocentric religious fairytale.

 

Well, thanks for your opinion, friend.

 

Who were all Jews.

 

Try telling a Jew that .. and remember Jesus was also a Jew, an Essene Jew to be precise.

Christianity is basically Judaism right up to the point of Jesus, the Jews do not believe he was the messiah, Christ followers (Christians) do.
Jesus was the founder of Christianity, a bit like L. Ron Hubbard was the founder of scientology . .though the founder of the Christian Church was Peter (On this rock I will build My church" (Matthew 16:1) after he gave his Sermon, this is thought to be around the Day of Pentecost (50 days after the Passover during which Jesus was crucified).

 

If you are going to rely on statistics, you can't start using "untold numbers." You either have numbers or you don't.

 

Yes, so that is further reason to believe that Jesus was just a sick morally twisted individual because the heroes of the OT approved of slavery, approved of rape of innocents, approved of genocide, were cold-blooded murderers, approved of hatred towards 50% of humanity (women), etc.

Richard Dawkins despises the "heroes" of the OT, so Dawkins is far far superior to Jesus/Mohammad. Always has been, always will be.

Anyone today who, when flat-out asked to, refuses to condemn the "heroes" of the OT, is immoral, compared to Dawkins at least. Are you moral or immoral?

 

When it comes to the atrocities of religion, the number of atrocities are so large, and over such a long period, that a specific accounting would be very very hard. Suffice it to say that religion has been responsible for more atrocities that any other source in human history. So I'm a modern Secular Humanist, ala Harris and Dawkins, etc. Therefore I have a clean conscience. You can too.

 

Apparently 144,000 Jews do indeed get into heaven according to the Bible (but that's, what, less than 0.1% of all Jews!)
Also, those 3 mentioned were BEFORE the appearance of the Ultimate Jew Hater (Jesus), so they don't really count, now do they? They are basically irrelevant.

 

No it's not. I bet YOU, Jonsa, if YOU had the power to either torture/kill one hundred million innocent people (all the Jews), OR to let them into your Disneyland in the sky ("heaven") that YOU would be moral enough to let them in (you're above torture/killing), at least the moral ones, even if they picked the wrong super-hero out of the tens of thousands of super-heroes in world history, correct? Or are you as immoral as Jesus? Please let us know.

 

Since I do not believe in some equally ridiculous afterlife or reincarnation, the question is moot.

I do agree that the whole "believe in me or you are damned in eternal hellfire" displays both a criminal spiritual extortion and a vengeful vanity driven bigotry.

By your peculiar logic, Jesus "killed" way way more animists, pagans, and muslims than jews.

The exclusivity of any particular religious sect merely panders to their members conceit and desire to be "special". Westboro Baptist is a classic contemporary example.

 

Excellent answer.
You are right that maybe the question should have been, say (but it would have been a fairly broad question): "A ranking of the most immoral people ever, based on number of non-believers harmed", instead of just Jews.
I agree that "there is no sin but ingnorance."
Have a great day.

 

Arguably that's true, I propose.
Seems like we both agree that Jesus is one sick, supremacist S.O.B.

 

SO YOU FIGURE HUMAN IMMORALITY IS MEASURED BY THE YARDSTICK OF HARM TO JEWS AS OPPOSED TO ANY OTHER ACTION ?? lol. that's carryin that chosen people thing a tad far their pal!!

 

1. I'm certainly not a Jew (I despise all religions, especially ones that claim they are "god's chosen people".)
2. gabriel1: do you agree with modern Secular Humanists (Dawkins, Harris, etc.) that killing innocent people (which religions often teach to do) is bad?

 

I have no idea what secular humanists believe. personally I think killing innocent people is not proper.

 

Modern Secular Humanists clearly believe that Jesus is a highly immoral individual for seeing that moral non-Christians go to hell....if a MSH had Jesus' magical powers, they WOULD INDEED let Gandhi into their "heaven" (if they had one) instead of seeing that (like the Bible sickeningly states) his flesh is burned off and then re-grows back and then is burned off again forever. Sick, twisted, incredibly immoral religion.

Overall, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism are also horrific, and should be abandoned....unless people are just too SCARED by the "you'll burn if you dare to think for yourself" type of proclamations that many religions make. Sick. Disgusting.

 

im sorry for your anger. hope it doesn't poison all of you.

 

Angry at Christians for being such intellectual cowards that they are too scared to not bring forward the parts of their texts that say to SLAUGHTER GAYS? Yes.
Angry at Muslims for approving of Mohammad's pedophilia (and not removing those parts from their Islamic texts), so to this very day little 9 year old girls are raped by dirty old men in arranged "marriages" ("rape-fests" is more like it)? Yes.
Angry at Hindus for being so intellectually cowardly that they don't not bring forward the parts of their texts that cause 160 million "untouchables" to be treated worse than blacks in the 1940's? Yes.

Any reasonable person would be angry.

 

prolonged anger is unwise

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prolonged anger is unwise

 

You're probably right, especially medically speaking. But let me ask you: say Muslims KILLING/TORTURING gays (I'm not gay, BTW), does that make you angry? Or should we just "understand" them more like the dhimmi crowd prefers that we do, as more gays are slaughtered because an illiterate/uneducated self-proclaimed "prophet" (Mohammad) said to, a whopping 1400 years ago? That 20% of humanity (Muslims...but others too, to be fair) is incredibly immoral. Does that make you angry, or do you not care at all, or just what?

 

it makes me think they are ignorant unwise people who are doing something extremely immoral.

 

whatever the real story, I don't think you can hold Jesus responsible for what power hungry greed Alpha males have done in his name over the centuries. I do not attribute miracles to any man and I don't attribute any to Jesus either. Its not that he didn't have some kool ideas and impressive insights into what makes us human. BTW. he was a total socialist. he was living in a 2000 year old ancient primitive culture. A culture whose contemporaneous social and political mores are outrageously obsolete today, not to mention the plausibility of the "literal word".

This problem is particularly noticeable within contemporary Islam. Their culture is closely intertwined with their religion. And in traditional muslim culture Islam informs and heavily influences the social, economic and political aspects of that culture. Their world view can hardly be characterized as progressive, and is in danger of being a culture left behind, unable to adapt to such a revolutionary global social change that comes with universal access to global knowledge, news, culture and so much more. One thing for sure, the whole "cut off the head of he insults the prophet" brigade is having a very hard time understanding and adapting to the 21st century.

Pity that.