A ranking of the most immoral people ever, based on number of Jews harmed.

islam will change just like Christianity did

 

It might be a whole lot bloodier, too.

 

yep. doncha love religions?

 

Then you agree with me (and other JihadWatch.org readers) that Mohammad was extremely immoral, correct?

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The Qur'an FORBIDS changing it's texts. Why do you think they KILL reformers!? It must be DEFEATED, like Hitler, not some weak attempt at "understanding/change" or whatever.

 

interpretations change.

and so were the jewish religious leaders immoral

 

I like your optimism, but when Qur'an 4:34 (Shakir translation) says for a man to BEAT his wife, that she's SUBSERVIENT to her male master (due to her gender alone!) and that women are INFERIOR to men, it's so SO bad that no interpretational change will suffice. Like all adult fairy tales, it must be cut off at the head, like a venomous snake.

Most all religious leaders (based on the texts that they "enforce") are immoral, including the Jewish ones. To not NOT bring forward parts that say to kill gays is far far below the high moral standards set by modern Secular Humanists.

 

there are many things in the old testament that could never be done in modern society. don't kid yourself

 

JihadWatch is immoral because its sole purpose is to incite hatred. It's the modern day equivalent to the "Stürmer".

 

Wrong. You clearly are in denial of what the Islamic texts teach, my friend. Here's just a sampling:

Qur'an 4:34 (Shakir translation): BEAT your wife....women are INFERIOR to men...and women are subservient to men, because Mohammad's invisible friend says so.

Qur'an 8:41 give a certain percentage of the BOOTY YOU PLUNDER to MOHAMMAD (Mohammad was clearly a prophet for profit!)

Mohammad, and only Mohammad, could have more than 4 wives (CONVENIENTLY from his invisible friend!). He was a pervert, who made up the rules as he went to satisfy his insatiable sexual lust.

Mohammad had sex ("thighing" ie masturbating) on the thighs of an innocent little 6 year old girl, and full intercourse at the tender age of 9. That's why Islamic countries have had, over the years, the legal age of marriage be as low as 9 years old. Mohammad was a pedophile/felon.

Qur'an 2:221, incredibly, says "And do not marry polytheistic men [to your women] until they believe. " IN OTHER WORDS ISLAMIC WOMAN CAN'T MARRY WHO THEY WANT! Disgusting!



The one who is immoral is not the messenger (Robert Spencer of JihadWatch), but Mohammad, the purpetrator of those crimes. Clearly.
Please learn more about Islam, as the texts of Islam clearly teach to take over the world and force us into Sharia (Qur'an 9:29 is a terrible one, as well.)

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All religions are utterly disgusting, including Judaism and Jesus.
If they cared about, say, their gays kids, then they'd REMOVE the filth (kill gays since they are not fit to live, it says) from their venomous texts, but they don't care about their children nearly as much as modern Secular Humanists do. Clearly.

 

I see your point but I choose to judge the individual rather than the book that his ancestors wrote.

 

I’m just as aware of the nasty sounding bits in the Koran as I’m aware of the nasty sounding bit in the Torah and the Bible. That these ancient scriptures contain bits that sound nasty to our modern ears shouldn’t come as a surprise to anybody with a minimum of historical awareness.

As for JihadWatch: I prefer media-outlets that sport a slighty more – erm – balanced form of reporting. You know, the kind that won’t judge the whole of Judaism by the acts of Baruch Goldstein, the whole of Christianity by the acts of G.W. Bush , the whole of Islam by the acts of Mohamed Atta or the whole of atheism by the acts of Josef Stalin.

But if you want to associate yourself with fanatic loonies such as Robert Spencer and his disciple Anders Breivik, suit yourself.

 

But the individual won't condemn the horrific passages in said book, even though said book is causing harm throughout the world. Maybe I just expect more from humanity than you do.

 

well good luck. evidence is on my side btw

 

I agree with you that all religions are insane.
With JW the thing is that Muslims won't condemn Mohammad for clearly being the main underlying cause of Islamic terrorism, as for one of many things, he said "I have been made victorious through terror". The first Islamic terrorist lived 1400 years ago. Modern Muslims are just following his lead.

Further reading: https://www.google.com/search?q=moh...94,d.aWM&fp=cd9dabb8a46b115a&biw=1177&bih=684

 

do the jews and Christians condemn the horrific parts of the old testament?

 

The evidence of Islam being a sick disgusting cult, that teaches men to BEAT women, "excel" women, and that women are subservient to the superior Muslim male, is on my side, btw:
"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (Shakir's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)

Does this DISGUST you, or are you "tolerant" (i.e. don't really care about the welfare of women if you might be accused of being politically-incorrect )?
Thanks.

 

my muslim friends don't beat their wives as far as I know. I do have a few non muslim friends who have done so however

 

I'd hope they would, if they were as moral as modern Secular Humanists. But they continue to bring those parts forward when they give their young child his first Bible, so they are not very moral.
The Bible is at least as bad as the Qur'an.
The Hindu texts are really bad, as well.

 

personally I don't give a good ****** what books thousands of years old say

 

You are out of touch with reality, my friend...ask those Muslim friends who is more correct: Dawkins, who says to NOT beat one's wife, or Mohammad ("the perfect example of conduct") who in Allah's book (Q 4:34) says to beat one's wife. Go ahead, ask them. If they remove 4:34 and say that Mohammad was clearly wrong, then I'd believe you. But I don't. You seem to be almost as delusional as people who have a magic invisible friend somewhere in the sky who cares so incredibly little about them that when he "causes" a deadly tsunami he doesn't even have the moral decency to WARN them first.

 

You seem to be one of the smarter posters here on PF.
However, we are in the longest war in US history, with NO end in sight, exactly BECAUSE people DO INDEED give a ****** (ooops, I just broke one of the 10 commandments, which is apparently more important than, say, RAPE, because rape is not in the 10 commandments!) about what a book thousands of years old says. It's bankrupting this country, and causing untold numbers of deaths on both sides.

 

actions speak louder than words. they don't beat their wives. period

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"why do they hate us??" lol

 

They won't say Mohammad was wrong, will they!?

Also, just the implied THREAT that the Quran gives them to strike their submissive/inferior wives causes Muslim women to be subservient. Just like the Catholic Church didn't ACTUALLY torture Galileo when trying to admit he was wrong, they just showed him the instruments of torture, and he did recant. Religions are about the use of violence to control people. Threats during this life, and the "next life". Incredible.

Religions much be fought to our dying breath.

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Well, uh, because the Quran says to:
Muslims must not take the Jews as friends and protectors or else Allah will not guide them.
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
Qur'an 5:51

 

You really don't understand their devotion to Allah, do you? I didn't either, my friend, until I studied Islam much more.
I care about people around the world equally, ideally.
"Nearly 90 percent of Afghan women suffer from domestic abuse, according to the United Nations Development Fund for Women. Despite that, there are less than a dozen shelters like this one in Afghanistan, usually run by non-governmental organizations. Abusers are rarely prosecuted or convicted, and most women are afraid to say anything. "Their mothers are beaten by their fathers. They're beaten by their fathers, by their brothers. It's a way of life," said Manizha Naderi, director of WAW."
From http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Wife_Beating_in_Islam#Statistics_on_Domestic_Violence_in_the_Muslim_world

 

Actually we are not agreeing in the slightest. And this isn't just because I happen to be religious myself.

What I’m trying to tell you is that it is daft to measure 8th century (or in case of the Torah and Bible even older ) scriptures by 21th century moral standards. Moral standards that developed out of the bits of these old scriptures that you prefer not to quote because they’d sound so surprisingly nice even to secular humanists whose moral standards also developed on the background of exactly those ancient scriptures.

If instead you judged such scriptures by the standards of their specific historical background (which is the only reasonable approach to ancient scriptures) you might be surprised how for example Islam improved the rights of women who were even (*)(*)(*)(*)tier off in the society out of which Islam sprung. A lot of the women in these societies would not have seen Mohammed as a terrorist but as a liberator.

My advice to you would be to rid yourself of your irrational hatred for religion and come around to a very basic human value: treat others with the same respect and fairness that you want to be treated with. The vast majority of Muslims, Christians, Jews etc. are decent people who don’t deserve your bile. It’s well possible to respect other people’s religious beliefs or the lack thereof without sharing them. To me and most of the educated world this kind of religious tolerance is a high value. Obviously it isn’t to Robert Spencer, you and the worst kind of Islamists.