A Very American Coup

Who "proved" Vol. 1 of the Mueller Report to be "untrue"? You obviously have no idea what it even says.

Check out Vol. 2. Numerous instances of obstruction of justice are outlined in there. Moreover, he unlawfully interfered with elections in a number of states (e.g. Georgia), violated campaign finance laws in at least 2 instances, incited an insurrection and engaged in a conspiracy in doing so. Would you like more?

You refusing to read the Mueller Report, yet pretending to know what it says, reflects very poorly on you.

 

Not only that, but the Trumpers yammer on and on about an actually good and reputable charity, while at the same time the "Trump Foundation" was shut down for self-dealing and fraudulent conduct. Trump used donations as a piggybank to resolve lawsuits against HIMSELF.

 

I'm devastated by that.

 

You lack the self-awareness. But you should be ashamed.

 

Very much so. You're right.

 

Water is wet. Don't stare at the Sun.

I know.

 

Your wisdom is a light for us all.

 

There's always hope. Its extremely polarizing like in the US, but we are a few years behind. Here are wide parts of the population who can afford to stay out if these affairs. When the incoming confrontations gets closer, they will be forced to position themselves. Lets see how the frontlines will be then.

We have a microcosmos of the leftist utopia in Berlin. We will see how things are developing.

 

I would say the OP is just more of the same from the hysterical left.

One wonders why it takes weeks to count votes in blue cities that have a history of voter irregularities which were amplified and astounding in 2020. Of course voter fraud is not important to democrats but citizens picking their choice is.

 

Not choosing democrats.

 

When I visited in 2016 I couldn't believe my eyes. The non-german population of Berlin and Munich was shocking. Next time I'd like to spend more time in the countryside. The cities have been invaded. This is the same story in every Western country.

 

Indeed. There are differents though. In all bigger German cities there will be a huge share of migrants. In some German cities most of the migrants see themselve rather as Germans with a different origin. They adapt some aspects of the native culture keep some of their own traditions, but all in all they dont see themselve in a war against the native population. Berlin on the other hand would be a shithole state without the rest of the Republic in which politics tries to encourage especially radical muslims and meanwhile even a very small but loud minority of some African organizations to turn against the rest of the population (not only Germans, but all kinds of what they define as "infidels" or "White").

Very different in Munich!

 

Yeah, this lost credibility when you announced this was from The Guardian, a left wing rag on the way out.

 

I wish it could stay homogenous. Racial groups should have mostly homogenous homelands. America could be the worlds multicultural experiment. Mohammed is one of the most popular names for newborns in West Germany last I read. And as far as Munich, the hauptbanof was lined with Africans and muslims. Many military aged males just standing and sitting on the steps in the front loitering and pestering people. Take it from a Californian, soon it will all be lost. In 30 years California was destroyed.

 

A very interesting example, which illustrates all the straw puppet arguments Heroclitus brings up, watch the fate of Ayan Hirsi Ali who fled from Somalia to the Netherlands first. She worked with Theo van Gogh on the movie "submission" which criticized the supression of the women in Islamic societies based on the Quran. The police in the Netherlands tried its best to watch her all day but policemen gave her the advice to flee from the Netherlands, they cannot guarantee her safety on the long run. She fled to the US. Now, guess on whose side European "Liberals" stand? On her side as her ideas are consistent with the European philosophical concepts of enlightment on which modern European liberals pretend to stand for?

No, they turn things upside down and accuse her of being racist and Islamophobe. They stand side a side with the scum that cut Theo van Gogh's head off with a knife. The same with the radical left in the US. One of the organizers of the "Women's March" gave a statement she deserved it to have been genital mutilated as a child. This gives you an insight in the mind set of the liberals Heroclitus praise and which has the highest influence on the MSM, but its only one of many example which illustrates it.

To take on this liberal machinery it needs a special kind of guy, no gentleman. You cannot set a noble and decent animal on a beast, but a beast on a beast. And in this case Trump is the man for the job. On a personal side I dont like him, but if he wins the 2024 election or not can make the difference if people like Ayan Hirsi Ali can still live in America or if she has to seek asylum in China oder India. Islam leaves worldwide and globally a trail of destruction and blood whereever it appears. The liberals are the allies of Islam in Europe and the US and this battle, which is why one of the most important topic of the squad is to bring forward the BDS movement. This is why BLM, FFF and BDS work hand in hand. I hope Donald Trump will get his second term in 2024 to stop these alliances of evil.

 

Well, we had that happen in 2016 and the globalists still reversed it. Germany was invaded, the SDP got hammered, Farage got Brexit through and Trump won. Their control of the media, banks, corporations etcetera is just too much. When their power was slipping they unleashed covid. If a superman did managed to lead a revolution they would unleash hell to stop it.

 

I dont believe in all to sopisticated theories of a conspiracy. And these theories are not consistent with each other. Trump is on the one hand a hero of the people who claim COVID was a hoax, but on the other hand he politically backed a quick development and approval of the vaccines.

The typical western left winger just wanna have a feeling of superiority over his fellow countrymen and it gives him the feeling to be so special, so cosmopolitan to ally with Islamist scum.

This is Heroclitus in a nutshell, his first reaction was to cry "Islamophobia", when I mentioned I dont agree with Trump's anti-Chinese attitude. By the way the very people who are so eager not to offend anyone with language love it so much to use a term, which was used in Iran to murder, torture and execute thousands with vague accusations of "Islamophobia". Standing side a side with Islamist is their main attribute how to be woke.


The Islamists on the other hand have a more plain and simple pattern to feel superior. Kill infidel men and rape their women, thus making Islam victorious. If the strategy backfires just cry "Islamophobia" and find some Western Liberals who support you.

 

Ha the totalitarianism shines out. You can't meet the arguments with arguments so you just trash the source. This is what communists and fascists and the new Right in the USA do, such is their incapacity to parse arguments and logic. The grunting thugs that we have seen in Mao's Red Guards, Hitler's Blackshirts and now Trump's militias, big on violence and guns, tiny and inadequate on philosophy, science and ideas.

On the other hand you seem to think that the OP was a direct quote from the Guardian and that the OP had credibility to lose until you realised its source (can you understand your own sentence?) Well the OP wasn't from the Guardian. Those are my words. I wrote them all by myself. You should try writing down a logical argument one day and see if you can do it! I do comment on an article in the Guardian that I referenced. But they are my words that I wrote. Still full of credibility, apparently now that we have disposed of the premise of your statement. Can you follow that?

On a side issue, I like how you just make up facts in this post. In the New American Republic all public discourse is now based on lies. The lie doesn't even have to be clever any more. The more brazen and gaslighting the better! Say what you wish and assert it as a fact, that's the new rule. Of course, the Guardian is a 200 year old British newspaper that is very far from being "on the way out". You just made that up because you think that what you wish for is what is actually happening. The truth: in a few years the Guardian has positioned itself through its online US edition as a serious player in the US media. If anything it's going from strength to strength and becoming more and more influential.

The majority of Americans are still freedom-loving, civilised people. They have been betrayed by a complacent liberal elite who are busy delivering them to rabid populists and fascists. They are sleeping as a fascist Republican Party gradually dismantles democracy through blatant gerrymandering and by seizing control of key State offices. They somehow don't hear that filthy lie (and kick in the teeth to America's founding fathers) "we are a Republic, not a democracy" as the echo of 1930's Europe with American characteristics. That is unfortunately the weakness of the American Revolution and the French Revolution and the centuries of struggle in England against tyranny: liberal democracies are fragile and can be overthrown by liars, cheats, thugs and narcissistic sociopaths, once the leaders of such liberal democracies lose touch with the people. As American liberals surrender the shining city on the hill to a mob of thugs, snake-oil salesmen and criminals, a new Dark Ages looms. International liberals who took Pax Americana for granted will also reap the whirlwind and are playing out their own similar descent into dystopia where the playbook is pretty much as it was ninety years ago. As democracies fail, tyrannies will rise. In America. In Europe and in Asia. The latter will be where the power lies in the twenty first century.

 

Tedious drivelly strawman. The first sentence is just nonsensical rubbish. The second sentence is stunningly illogical. The third sentence is fratboy puerility. The second paragraph is just abuse.

Taking your lessons from Herr Goebbels Gluecksritter?

This thread is about a coup by the US Republican Party controlled by Trump. You trying to bring "woke" into things is tedious bollocks. If you really cared about ideas you might see that I argue that the fascism in America has been enabled by a liberal elite that have been obsessed with identity politics to the extent they have lost sight of the real interests of Americans of all races. My mentors are people like Christopher Hitchens, Bernard Henri Levy, or Thomas Frank. I don't agree with all they say but I am influenced by their nuance. I am on record here as having supported all military actions by the US and the UK against "islamic" tyrants in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan. You paint your straw men as you will but the truth only shines a light on the lies and insults you post on here.

And that word "nuance" is important. It may be confusing for stupid people to follow but it is perfectly logical to argue that supporting military action against islamofascists who throw acid in the faces of little girls for the crime of going to school is compatible with contempt for scum who demonise muslims with hateful vicious lies and tropes. As logical as arguing that the thugs who were unleashed on the Capitol by a sitting US President trying to engineer a coup d'etat, were also enabled by liberal elitists who are more focused on the highly theoretical white privilege of coalminers and steelworkers in rustbelt states than getting Corporate America (both Red and Blue) to engineer a New Deal that will underpin the superiority of the American system for another hundred years. On the one hand in America we have the stunning dishonesty and intellectual cowardice of the Right who think that facts are anything they wish to be so. On the other hand we have the arrogance and complacency of the elite who over and over again fail to smell the coffee.

America is the last great hope of mankind. Europe with its Polish bigots dismantling the rule of law, is Petainist collaborators waiting in the wings to take power in France, its Italian fascists who never went away, its lumpen Brits who have suddenly gone from being a modern European power to a delusion that they have an Empire once again, caudillo thug duces in Hungary and Turkey... Europe continues to fail humanity as it largely has since 1789, the last time it actually shone a light of freedom to the world. But that American shining hope on the hill is diminished. As Paine said, the cause of America is the cause of all mankind, but now counter-revolutionaries and Tories in the GOP gather on the horizon to knock it all down. The capacity of liberal democracy and capitalism to power global development is weakened just as we see the Rise of China and India, who emboldened by the seeming failure of free democracies prescribe tyrannical bureaucracy as the future of the world. They of course share a stinking exceptional nationalism with the Trumpistas, a powering trend in our new Dark Age. The contempt for nuance, dialectic, logic, ideas and truth, unleashed by barbaric forces on the Right globally is being passively enabled by an inept and contemptible liberal elite everywhere.

 

Recounts are pointless. Nobody argues the ability to count ballots. The issue is the legality of those ballots and recounting them sheds not a ray of light on that.

 

You shouldn't be devastated. You should become educated.

You're welcome. Now read it.

 

OK, then what should the conspiracists do, and what do you expect the conspiracists to find?

 

The Guardian is a rag and it's dying in its' feet, ever time you log onto the online version they beg you for money. I believe in democracies and the West will triumph. America may be a divided nation in many ways but is still united in its' belief in democracy and freedom, they just disagree slightly as to what that means. The GOP and DNC are not that different, vilifying the other side in politics is unhealthy to say the least.

 

Very different notions, indeed. For example, I think attacking the Capitol building in concert with the bloated Orange Man and a handful of treasonous elected officials is the polar opposite of what this country stands for.

 

The society should put the whole thing to bed one way or the other with a thorough investigation. I'm pretty sure nobody on either side wants the answer