Any argument , weak or not, beats yours... IF you ever applied thought you'd have to admit women are individuals with the same rights everyone else has.....but you won't.
They tried. Before the gas chambers they had death squads that rounded up people and shot them. But the psychological toll on the nazi soldiers doing this was extreme because they couldn't ignore what was screaming in their faces, and so they had to find a way to industrialize it. They tried to dehumanize their victims, but their victims did have minds and were persons. A fetus is simply not. How can you call something with no mind a person?
How can say a human being that is wriggling around has no mind? Is their IQ not high enough? (We've all heard that argument before...)
Movement doesn't prove conscious intention. Reflexes, for example, can cause movement without involving the brain. The brain is not developed enough early on for consciousness to exist at all. The corticothalamic projections come well after 20 weeks, and without that there is no communication between the sensory nerves of the body and the processing area of the brain. No consciousness can exist without it.
Women need to stop playing the victim. The more responsible adults we have in society the better. Men? Whataboutism much? Besides that I do not see many men whining.
FoxHastings said: ↑ I haven't seen anyone say any different..... ...and why are you so concerned that women "own her mistakes".... men, too????? Yes, to abort a ZEF one can't afford and/or doesn't want is a responsible act... YOu make it seem like a woman has the responsibility to NOT get pregnant but if she does you want her responsibility lifted and have her forced to gestate ....as if that is a PUNISHMENT for getting having sex and pregnant. All Anti-Choicers eventually show how desperately they want women punished for having sex without them....LOLOLOLOLO>>>> . Oh, you learned a little phrase "play the victim" and now you threw it out there when it has nothing to do with the issue.....how cute... Where TF are women "playing the victim"? Ohguggaduh ya tink so ??? Wow , what a deep statement... NO! Did you have your hands over your ears all these years??? And ya, I don't imagine men have to whine about being FORCED to gestate since they aren't... ARE YOU AWARE MEN DON"T GET PREGNANT SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T WHINE ABOUT IT ??? IF MEN GOT PREGNANT THERE WOULD BE FREE ABORTION CLINICS ON EVERY CORNER... Now maybe you can quit whining and address the contents of the post of mine you quoted: ""..and why are you so concerned that women "own her mistakes".... men, too????? Yes, to abort a ZEF one can't afford and/or doesn't want is a responsible act... YOu make it seem like a woman has the responsibility to NOT get pregnant but if she does you want her responsibility lifted and have her forced to gestate ....as if that is a PUNISHMENT for getting having sex and pregnant. All Anti-Choicers eventually show how desperately they want women punished for having sex without them..."""
LOL! You are clearly upset. No need to use caps. Yes, women need to stop whining and playing the victim. Take responsibility for their actions.....for once. You are the one that brought up men not me. And no, men are not whining.
FoxHastings said: ↑ I haven't seen anyone say any different..... ...and why are you so concerned that women "own her mistakes".... men, too????? Yes, to abort a ZEF one can't afford and/or doesn't want is a responsible act... YOu make it seem like a woman has the responsibility to NOT get pregnant but if she does you want her responsibility lifted and have her forced to gestate ....as if that is a PUNISHMENT for getting having sex and pregnant. All Anti-Choicers eventually show how desperately they want women punished for having sex without them....LOLOLOLOLO>>>> . Oh, you learned a little phrase "play the victim" and now you threw it out there when it has nothing to do with the issue.....how cute... Where TF are women "playing the victim"? Ohguggaduh ya tink so ??? Wow , what a deep statement... NO! Did you have your hands over your ears all these years??? And ya, I don't imagine men have to whine about being FORCED to gestate since they aren't... ARE YOU AWARE MEN DON"T GET PREGNANT SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T WHINE ABOUT IT ??? IF MEN GOT PREGNANT THERE WOULD BE FREE ABORTION CLINICS ON EVERY CORNER... Now maybe you can quit whining and address the contents of the post of mine you quoted: ""..and why are you so concerned that women "own her mistakes".... men, too????? Yes, to abort a ZEF one can't afford and/or doesn't want is a responsible act... YOu make it seem like a woman has the responsibility to NOT get pregnant but if she does you want her responsibility lifted and have her forced to gestate ....as if that is a PUNISHMENT for getting having sex and pregnant. All Anti-Choicers eventually show how desperately they want women punished for having sex without them...""" . No, the ones who are upset are the ones who canNOT control women ...and have a twisted need to control women You repeat that over and over because you can read bumper stickers and memorize them but you have NOT shown where women are playing the victim,...NOTHING AS USUAL to back up your claim.. WHERE are women "playing the victim"???? Surely you have an example... A ridiculous statement but totally misogynistic. Oh, gosh I thought I explained to you that men can't get pregnant but if that's what you want to believe go ahead....it doesn't help with the credibility of your posts though to believe men can get pregnant..
Had to show my ignored content to see to which .. ah... *****s you were responding., Only affirms why I have them on ignore.. but keep up the good work, I just can no longer suffer idiocy.. all I can do at this point is give you likes. If I had to respond to them in a manner I tho't justified, I'd just get banned.
It is rather moronic to deny that a human fetus is other than human,, and a distinct and individual human too,,, I tho't you god deniers were all about "the science" . I pray that at some time before it is too late you accept God. .. Really.. I do.
, SHOW where anyone said a human fetus isn't human. SHOW IT .... OR WILL YOU HAVE TO INGNORE POSTS THAT ASK YOU FOR PROOF ? Gee, thanks for the thought but I prefer dealing with the real world and facts...
He didn't specifically claim anyone said that a fetus isn't a human, his statement only seemed to imply it. Just like your statement does not specifically claim that he claimed someone else here claimed the fetus isn't human, even though your statement seems to imply it. You certainly are engaging in some double standards with your word games. Claiming people said things they did not explicitly say. But then when others do the same thing when responding to your posts you just deny that's what you said. If it's fair for you to assume someone else's statement implies something, then so to is it fair for other people to do the same thing with the posts you write.
It is, but so is a corpse. It is not a distinct individual since it is literally physically attached to the mother and entirely dependent on her body for its survival. Furthermore, it only consists of a couple of cells and is a lifeform far more primitive than even a frog. Claiming it is a human being is not only outrageous, but also is it wrong. I do not believe in magic.
The core of the issue is whether the fetus is a person. It's not. Slaves were persons and slavery is wrong. Just because the same question is being posed doesn't mean it's the same answer.
