Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

Correct - that has nothing to do with the zygote though... try to stay on the same page.

 

Natalism does not have to be based on a religious belief. There are plenty of people out there who promote procreation that arent religious at all.

Of course, on the other hand, if Natalism is inherently religious, than anti-natalism is anti God, wouldnt you say?

I know you arent a liberal but I still have to give you a hard time about using that word. You have to admit, if there is one takeway from this discussion tonight, its that xenophobic is one of the great liberal buzzwords of our generation.

Well maybe you should do some research on satan - perhaps that will clarify my position even further. And perhaps what you think is self deception is actually self perception on a higher level.

Right its a higher court than what we have on earth. And in that court abortion is murder.

 

I dont know about you, but I defend the life of the unborn.

You, toss it away like a piece of trash.

Sanctity of life. Learn it.

I stand United with Trump.

 

Okay, where are you getting this information from? Show me in the Bible...

 

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LOL!! They prove no such thing! They are just photos anyone can make up and post !!


OMGAWD! You think that's "proof" of something!!

It only proves that Anti-Choicers HAVE to make up stuff because they have no facts to use to form any decent argument...

Here's the next worn, trite factless comment by Anti-Choicers, "NO ONE knows what pregnancy means but them...no one but Anti-Choicers knows what a woman is pregnant with..."""


And they can't see how stupid that view is...

I'm sure it never occurred to you that it is none of your business and has no effect on you at all....

 

continuing t-Rump's quote """""...and we tore those little 'images of god" from their MOTHERS and put them in dog cages.....and laughed about it and said they, those innocent precious lives, deserved it....and vilified those "God's Gifts"" and I taught my followers to hate them"""""""

 

Uh, where exactly did you get the authority to speak for your god ???

 

And in the real world , it isn't.

 

Who in their right mind - in a world that is so over populated that the Oceans are being fished out and polluted to the point of environmental catastrophe - thinks we should do everything we can to increase population.

This is as mindless as it gets. It is not like we have a shortage of people on the planet. If we did - it would make sense. Anti Aborts realize that the religious argument doesn't cut in the legal system - but are hell bent on forcing their religious beliefs on others through law - and so they make up nonsense .. like "Natalism".

The left has bastardized the word - no doubt - and pretty much everything else the PC world touches.

The left also pioneered "Utilitarianism" as justification for law. This is law on the basis of "what will increase happiness for the collective". This justification allows for an end run around the safeguards to individual liberty put in place by the founders.

It is you that needs to bone up on your research friend. Go read Job - from something other than KJV - NIV will do. Realize that when "Son's of God" is mentioned .. it means "Sons of God" - and then we will talk. You don't have to read the whole thing - just the first few Chapters where Satan interacts with God.

I am familiar with all the texts from which you have gotten your ideas - we can discuss these after.

Agree with the first point - disagree - in part - with the second. There is a point during a pregnancy where good arguments can be made for the personhood of the fetus.

Part of reason why you (not just you but the anti choice crowd in general) can't make a good argument is due to lumping all abortion into the same basket. In the early stages of pregnancy - arguments that pass legal and moral muster are extremely difficult to make. As pregnancy progresses these arguments get better and better. I am against abortion in the last trimester "because" the arguments are so compelling.

 

1) lumping all abortion into the same basket is a formula for bad arguments
2) "Sanctify Life" - you already know what's coming - You don't sanctify life - you readily and happily support the killing of life to enhance your own survival.
3) Trump is not against abortion - he is a political animal who is pandering to his base.

 

I just want to show these one more time. I think people need to see who the real victims of abortion are. Innocent, defenseless and pure? Let's kill it!

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
LOL!! They prove no such thing! They are just photos anyone can make up and post !!


OMGAWD! You think that's "proof" of something!!

It only proves that Anti-Choicers HAVE to make up stuff because they have no facts to use to form any decent argument...


And STILL no point …. flail on...


Is your point that women shouldn't abort plastic fetuses ???? LOL!!!

 

Trump is definitely pro life. You are simply choosing to believe the lies of the liberal media. When you debunk all of this perhaps we can talk. Until then, it might behoove you to insert your foot into your mouth.

Over the 2014, 2016 and 2018 election cycles, SBA List worked to put the Pro-Life Movement on offense politically. This culminated in securing from President Trump four very important pro-life commitments when he asked our president Marjorie Dannenfelser to head up his campaign’s Pro-Life Advisory Committee. On this page you will find information on President Trump’s key pro-life accomplishments on behalf of unborn babies and their mothers.

✅ Appointed Pro-Life Judges
During the 2016 campaign, then-candidate Trump promised he would nominate pro-life justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. In the final presidential debate, Trump stated, “I am pro-life, and I will be appointing pro-life judges.” President Trump has already made significant progress on this commitment to the Pro-Life Movement. In April, 2017, Judge Neil Gorsuch was successfully confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court. And in October, 2018, Judge Brett Kavanaugh was successfully confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court. To date, 157 of President Trump’s judicial nominees have been confirmed, including two Supreme Court justices, forty-three U.S. Courts of Appeals judges, and one hundred thirteen District Court judges.

✅ Permitted States to Defund Planned Parenthood of Title X Funds
In April 2017, Congress sent a bill to President Trump’s desk that permits states to defund Planned Parenthood of Title X family planning funds passed in Congress. President Trump signed the bill which reverses an Obama-era rule that disbarred states from doing so. Because this was passed using the Congressional Review Act, future Administrations cannot enact a similar rule to Obama’s.

✅ Stopped Tax Dollars Funding Abortion Overseas
President Trump not only reinstated the Mexico City Policy, but expanded it to the new Protecting Life in Global Health Assistance program. This new policy ensures that our tax dollars are protected from funding the abortion industry overseas across ALL global health spending, not just family planning dollars. The Bush-era Mexico City Policy protected roughly $500 million in spending – the new Trump policy protects over $8.8 billion overseas aid from funding abortion.

✅ Defunded the Pro-Abortion UNFPA
The UNFPA has long been complicit in China’s oppressive population control activities, including birth limitation policies and forced abortions. President Trump’s State Department cut U.S. Taxpayer funding to the UNFPA.

✅ Required Health Insurance Companies to Disclose if Plans Cover Abortion
The Trump Administration Department of Health & Human Services (HHS) issued a rule requiring that insurers specify in each plan Summary of Benefits whether the plan covers abortion. The administration also requested input on how to better enforce the limited abortion provisions contained in Obamacare. Until Obamacare is overturned and replaced with a system that does not subsidize abortion coverage, insurers must make abortion coverage clear to persons shopping for a plan.

✅ Settlements & New Rule Regarding HHS Mandate
The Departments of HHS, Treasury, and Labor issued two interim final rules, which means they took effect immediately, while allowing a comment period, that provide permanent, enforceable relief from the previous HHS mandate for both religious objectors, such as Little Sisters of the Poor, and moral objectors, such as Susan B. Anthony List. The new rule also exempts private employers and educational institutions that have sincerely held religious beliefs or moral objections against providing contraceptives or abortifacient drugs.

✅ Strong Pro-Life Appointments to Key Positions Including:
Vice President Mike Pence, Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

✅ New Office for Conscience Protection at HHS
In May 2019, the Trump administration finalized new regulations to strengthen enforcement of federal laws protecting the conscience rights of health care workers who do not want to participate in abortion. The regulations clarify what recourse is available to victims of discrimination under the law and what penalties the HHS Office of Civil Rights may enforce for violations. Additionally, in January 2018, the Department of Health & Human Services announced the creation of the Conscience and Religious Freedom Division within the Office for Civil Rights. This new office works to protect health care professionals who do not want to participate in abortion. In May, 2019, HHS issued a proposed rule amending Obama-era regulations, clarifying that Section 1557 shall not force a recipient of federal funding to provide or pay for an abortion. It shall also be consistent with the First Amendment and with pro-life provisions, conscience provisions and religious liberty protections in current law.

✅ Allowed States to Defund Planned Parenthood of Medicaid Funds
The Obama administration attempted to prevent states from defunding Planned Parenthood of Medicaid dollars, issuing guidance claiming this may be a violation of federal law. In January 2018, the Trump administration rescinded this guidance, allowing states to defund Planned Parenthood of Medicaid dollars as they see fit.

✅ Cut Planned Parenthood’s Tax Funding by up to $60 Million
In February, 2019, the Trump administration finalized the Protect Life Rule to redirect Title X family planning program funds away from the abortion industry. The rule advances President Trump’s promise to stop taxpayer funding of abortion businesses like Planned Parenthood, who will no longer receive Title X funding if they choose not to comply.

✅ Canceled Huge Contract for Taxpayer-Funded Experimentation with Body Parts of Aborted Babies
In June, 2019, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced they would not renew a major contract with the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) to fund research using the body parts of aborted babies. (learn more)

 

You think this about plastic fetuses? Of course you do.



This picture is 100% real



This picture is also 100% real



You know it's always best to show the people what the abortion industry wants to hide.

You put a face on a crime such as abortion and you might just change some hearts. Not your heart, obviously.

 

This is where you are wrong, yet again.



Yes, Trump has surrounded himself with other pro life people as well. Maybe you need to put Donald Trump in proper context?

 

When over 90% of abortions are done the fetus weighs 1/3 of 1 ounce so please don’t tell me it is a child. This is when most women have abortions

By the end of the second month, your baby, now a fetus, is about 2.54cm (1 inch) long, weighs about 9.45g (1/3 ounce), and a third of baby is now made up of its head.

 

Why is it that men are the biggest group of those wanting to deny reproductive freedom?

 

So many,many things wrong:


There is NO "abortion industry".

NO one is trying to hide anything ( you got photos, didn't YOU??????).


Abortion is not a crime.

AGAINNNNNNNNNNNNN: whether real or not they have no bearing on women having the right of bodily autonomy.

 

I have put him in the proper "context"...whenever he speaks he's lying.


BTW, someone else wrote that for him...and he seems to be fine with killing "precious life" when it's brown and on the border.....he even puts these "precious lives " in dog kennels...

 

Looks more like a list that panders to his base and wants to eliminate rights for women for whom he has never shown the slightest respect as humans....shameful....as shameful as those who compare the quick painless death of a ZEF with the horror and torture and agonizing deaths of Jews and slaves...

 

Reproductive freedom is just a guise for killing your children. Certainly not freedom to the dead baby that the abortionist threw into the trash. Pro choice? There is killing involved - death. Yeah, God loves when humanity kills it's offspring. And I'm sure Jesus was a pot smoking hippie who embraced communism, right?



This is really very simple in concept. Treat others the way you would want to be treated. If you didn't end up in the trash bin at the local planned parenthood you should extend the same courtesy to your fellow man.

Overpopulation is a myth.

 

Deep insights from an abortionist enthusiast.
There is an abortion industry and you and I both know it.
Planned Parenthood selling baby parts is just the tip of the iceberg.

Abortion is a for profit enterprise. It's not healthcare it's essentially death to the mother the unborn child and her family.

 

Trump has never shown the slightest respect for women? Are you sure you want to go down this road....?

President Trump has prioritized the economic empowerment of women.

• The women’s unemployment rate recently reached its lowest rate in 65 years.
• The Small Business Administration lent approximately $500 million more in capital to women-owned businesses in 2017 compared to 2016.
• The Administration helped launch the Women Entrepreneurs Finance Initiative, which could leverage more than $1 billion to support women entrepreneurs.

 

If a god really cared about the unborn, every fertilized egg would implant perfectly, every uterus would be perfectly formed and there would never be a miscarriage. But that ain’t reality because life is different from this alternate reality you’ve built in your head.

 

You must never forget: God creats life. SATAN: destroys life / kills. Yes, it really is that simple.

You must accept the fact we live in a fallen world. Sin nature is what got us to this point in history. Our world was perfect until Adam and Eve ate from the tree of good and evil. And you see, in our original paradise known as the garden of Eden, God's creation was perfect. But due to creating a totally independent being, God had to also include the option of free will. And that is what adam and eve bestowed upon the human race - a sin nature. Death entered into the world at this point. Originally, there was no death and there was perfect communion with God. The serpent is a very cunning adversary indeed.

So whats my point? That God created man perfect and it was human choices that lead to the fall of man. We have nobody to blame but ourselves for severing that connection and communion with God.

So while it is convenient to blame God when you break this down and parse it out you see that mankind was in the wrong.

At that point God did not give up on the human race. He sent Jesus back to die in our place - for redemption and total freedom in Christ Jesus.