Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Iron_Merc, Oct 23, 2019.

  1. Iron_Merc

    Iron_Merc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    493
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    LOL Double standard much?
     
  2. Iron_Merc

    Iron_Merc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    493
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    I kinda figured you would appreciate Chomsky's work.

    Are you still making the erroneous claim that Chomsky isn't an anarchist?

    Or are you going to put your head deeper into the sand?

    Something you should reflect on:

    [​IMG]

    Remember, thats 60,000,000 butchered and dismembered babies. The abortion industry desecrates the corpse after death by selling baby parts and internal organs for a profit. It doesn't get more disgusting than that people. These so called bleeding heart liberals dont have a heart at all. If they did, they wouldn't be executing babies. Oh thats right, lets kill the child so it doesnt have to grow up impoverished - its all about compassion. Because our world could have done without Oprah, right? Brilliant logic, absolutely brilliant logic right there.

    Do you find it a little ironic that Roe from Roe V Wake aka Norma was transformed into a pro life advocate who dedicated the rest of her life to undoing the damage caused by Roe v Wade?

    [​IMG]
     
  3. Iron_Merc

    Iron_Merc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    493
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    It's not black and white. But I stand where all conservatives before me have stood. Lean government, conservative interpretation of the constitution, freedoms and liberties intact, but NO limits on government power. That does not mean totalitarianism. It just means we have a lean government that works for the people but the people must respect the bounds of our society and know their are consequences for actions. Sounds like you are not to big on accountability, am I right?

    Yes, everyone loves a society so free it's OUT OF CONTROL.

    This is called anarchy and I've yet to hear your response and whether or not you are one yourself.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2019 at 3:05 AM
  4. Iron_Merc

    Iron_Merc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    493
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    You know, the same Judeo-Christian values that our founding fathers believed in.

    Are you familiar with Thanksgiving?

    The Mayflower?

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Iron_Merc

    Iron_Merc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    493
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    Obama called it ISIL because Israel was included in the "manifest destiny" of ISIL... aka the Levant covered a geographical area that included Israel in it's crosshairs. Obama hated Israel, so it's no mystery that he wanted to promote the destiny of ISIL over that of Israel.

    We can conclude, through this and many other actions against Israel, that Obama is anti semitic. A socialist being anti-semetic? Say what, thats like never ever happened before!

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2019 at 3:57 AM
  6. Iron_Merc

    Iron_Merc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    493
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    I want you to meet another abortion survivor.

    We’re more than a CHOICE.

    We’re more than a statistic.

    We’re someone’s son or daughter, grandchild, sibling, niece or nephew, cousin, friend, co-worker, neighbor. Many of us are someone’s spouse, someone’s parent.

    We’re individuals…

    Individuals impacted by abortion. Impacted by the decision, whether by choice, coercion or force, that someone made to end our lives.

    Link: https://theabortionsurvivors.com/

    [​IMG]

    Pictured here are Sarah Smith and her mother Betty. In 1970, Betty tried to abort Sarah in Los Angeles. At the time, Betty did not know she was pregnant with twins. One baby was aborted, but miraculously, Sarah survived. Sarah has forgiven her mother -- and for five years they traveled the world speaking together about the pain and suffering caused by abortion. Below is Sarah's story, followed by the speech she gave in Rome in 1996.

    Sarah tells her story . . .

    "Twenty-nine years ago, my mother decided to have an abortion. At the time, she was pregnant with twins, but nobody knew this, not even her doctor. My tiny brother and I were both there growing in her womb, until that dreadful day. Before the abortion, we were both alive. Moments later, I was alone.

    It's frightening to think I was almost aborted when my mom had a D&C abortion. Somehow, miraculously, I survived! My twin brother wasn't so lucky. Andrew was aborted and we lost him forever.

    Several weeks later, my mother was shocked to feel me kicking in her womb. She already had five children and she knew what it felt like when a baby kicked in the womb. She instantly knew that somehow she was still pregnant. She went back to the doctor and told him she was still pregnant...that she had made a big mistake and that she wanted to keep this baby.

    To this day, my mother deeply regrets that abortion. I know the pain is unbearable for her at times when she looks at me and knows she aborted my twin brother. Mom says 'the protective hand of Almighty God saved my life . . . that God's hand covered and hid me in her womb, and protected me from the scalpel of death.

    After surviving the abortion, I was born with bilateral, congenital dislocated hips and many other physical handicaps. Nine days after I was born, I was taken to an orthopedic surgeon who applied a cast to each of my tiny legs. My mom would remove these casts with pliers every Monday morning and take me to the doctor to have new casts put on.

    At six weeks I was put into my first body cast. Many surgeries and body cast followed over the next few years. Unfortunately, doctors are telling me that now I'll need surgeries about every 5 years (please pray for me).

    Today, I thank God I survived the abortion, but the pain continues for everyone in my family. In memory of my brother Andrew, we bought a memorial gravestone and placed it in a cemetary in Southern California. It reads:

    ANDREW JAMES SMITH, TWIN BROTHER OF SARAH -- IN OUR HEARTS YOU'LL ALWAYS BE ALIVE -- NOVEMBER 1970

    Please share our story with others so the tragedy of abortion stops hurting babies and families. Everyone needs to know the truth about abortion. Thank you."

    --Sarah Smith

    [​IMG]
     
  7. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    44,747
    Likes Received:
    14,246
    Trophy Points:
    113

    The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus.

    The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...
     
    Renee likes this.
  8. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    44,747
    Likes Received:
    14,246
    Trophy Points:
    113
    :) Looks like somebody had a hissy fit over night ….LOL!

    I mean, really, Thanksgiving and the Mayflower ??? What TF ….




    ...and abortion is still legal....:nana:
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2019 at 8:16 AM
  9. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    44,747
    Likes Received:
    14,246
    Trophy Points:
    113




    From the latest load of gibberish : """ You DO NOT blame the child for the mother's mistake.""

    OH???? Then why are children in dog cages on the border ??
     
  10. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    44,747
    Likes Received:
    14,246
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Iron_Merc said:
    Having asthma myself, I know what it's like to face respiratory distress - this is why I live like a Buddhist monk with minimal possessions.
    I have been involved in fighting for the pro-life cause for about 3 months now. I have learned much from both sides in that time.

    I've even gone to the local planned parenthood to protest. What's amazing is when you convince someone to keep the child, there is no feeling quite like saving the life of an unborn baby.




    ECHO, ECHO, ECHO.....:)
     
  11. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    732
    Likes Received:
    144
    Trophy Points:
    43
    So you agree a holocaust is going on. Millions of innocent "babies" have and will die. I've asked this question before with varying results. What should an ethical person do to save a human life if they know where it is going to occur and who is doing it?
    You have an army of millions on your side that occasionally hold protest signs and complain on forums. So my conclusion is either they are ethically weak for all their bluster or they don't believe what they are saying.
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  12. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    41,364
    Likes Received:
    6,616
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You keep on making the same repetition of premise fallacy. I understand that you think a zygote is a living human .. a person. What you have not done is shown that this claim is true. I don't agree with your claim - and science does not agree with your claim either.

    Although religious arguments do not amount to much from a legal perspective - I have entertained your religious arguments - but you have not proven your claim from a religious perspective either.

    1) The soul argument is contradicted by the fact that the zygote can create two or more people - this by the way - is one of the reasons why the "genetic perspective ( the one of the 5 scientific perspectives that puts the beginning of human life at conception) while popular with the general public - has fallen out of favor among scientists.

    2) Your argument from the Bible "God doesn't like abortion" - you have not supported - and whats is worse is that you ignore information from the Bible that contradicts your claim - pretending it does not exist or some such thing.

    Not sure what to tell you but - If someone told you that the earth was flat - and gave no support for that claim - would you believe it ?
    If all they did was repeat that claim over and over - twirling around in a circle crying "The earth is flat, the earth is flat" - while ignoring all evidence to the contrary - would that help to convince you the claim was true ?

    This is what you are doing.

    Christians were killing Jews during WW2. You are correct that since then it has stopped -but the religious right in this nation has supported killing and/or persecution of gays in other nations .. very recently.

    I didn't compare your belief system to that of a terrorist - once again you put words in my mouth - I compared your ideology to that of an Islamist - and specifically stated that not all Islamist's are terrorists. It is a fact that your ideology is the same in some ways as that of the Islamist. It does not make me a non patriot for pointing this out.

    Unfortunately - it is your ideology that conflicts with the founding principles - respect for essential liberty - and that makes you the one who is definitely not a patriot .. and all you are doing is projecting your failures on to me.

    You want to force religious belief on others through law (physical violence) ... you have tried to justify laws against prostitution, abortion, and other "moral Law" on the basis of religious belief.

    Don't get mad at me for holding up a mirror to your beliefs. Your beliefs are not my fault.
     
  13. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    41,364
    Likes Received:
    6,616
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Once again you make an unsupported claim - what double standard ??
     
  14. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    41,364
    Likes Received:
    6,616
    Trophy Points:
    113
    '

    Some of Chomsky's work is very good.. as was Marx .. as were many other folks who I disagree with in other areas. Your claim that he is an anarchist is a preposterous falsehood on steroids.

    Rather than try to understand for yourself Chomsky's work is about - some far right wing nutter made a false claim about the guy - and you repeat this claim as if it were fact.

    This defines sticking one's head in the sand. Quit projecting your issues onto others.
     
  15. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    41,364
    Likes Received:
    6,616
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You did not answer the main question "What should that power be limited to" 1) from your perspective 2) as per the founding principles (what did the founders thing).

    You then go on some demonization strawman rant - making false claims about what I have said- then making all kinds of bizarre accusations against me on the basis of your made up falsehood.
     
  16. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    41,364
    Likes Received:
    6,616
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How does Thanksgiving and the Mayflower - relate to Judeo Christian values that relate to the founding principles ? What on earth are you talking about ?

    You claimed that the founding principles are based on Judeo Christian values - yet - you do not have any ideas what these values are.

    I happen to agree with your claim - and know what these values are. Obviously you don't.

    What is even more absurd - is that I stated how the teachings of Jesus relate to the founding principles in a previous post. :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::brushteeth:
     
  17. Farnsworth

    Farnsworth Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2010
    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    18
    The next step in this desensitization to mass murder agenda is this next barrier that needs to be overcome, which is that babies are not human, either. After all, babies can be inconvenient for sociopaths and the self-absorbed for a long time after they're born as well. They cloak it in such 'progressive, enlightened 'logic' both left and right wingers will feel wonderful and intelligent for advocating it as well.

    https://jme.bmj.com/content/39/5/261


    Nonetheless, to bring up such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care. On these grounds, the fact that a fetus has the potential to become a person who will have an (at least) acceptable life is no reason for prohibiting abortion. Therefore, we argue that, when circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.

    In spite of the oxymoron in the expression, we propose to call this practice ‘after-birth abortion’, rather than ‘infanticide’, to emphasise that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus (on which ‘abortions’ in the traditional sense are performed) rather than to that of a child. Therefore, we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk. Accordingly, a second terminological specification is that we call such a practice ‘after-birth abortion’ rather than ‘euthanasia’ because the best interest of the one who dies is not necessarily the primary criterion for the choice, contrary to what happens in the case of euthanasia.

    Failing to bring a new person into existence cannot be compared with the wrong caused by procuring the death of an existing person. The reason is that, unlike the case of death of an existing person, failing to bring a new person into existence does not prevent anyone from accomplishing any of her future aims. However, this consideration entails a much stronger idea than the one according to which severely handicapped children should be euthanised. If the death of a newborn is not wrongful to her on the grounds that she cannot have formed any aim that she is prevented from accomplishing, then it should also be permissible to practise an after-birth abortion on a healthy newborn too, given that she has not formed any aim yet.


    Why indeed ... it's just so logical .... Do note again the standard Gramscian spin here:


    In spite of the oxymoron in the expression, we propose to call this practice ‘after-birth abortion’, rather than ‘infanticide’, to emphasise that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus (on which ‘abortions’ in the traditional sense are performed) rather than to that of a child. Therefore, we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk. Accordingly, a second terminological specification is that we call such a practice ‘after-birth abortion’ rather than ‘euthanasia’ because the best interest of the one who dies is not necessarily the primary criterion for the choice, contrary to what happens in the case of euthanasia.
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2019 at 2:07 PM
    Iron_Merc likes this.
  18. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    44,747
    Likes Received:
    14,246
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Advocating murder is quite sick.
     
  19. Renee

    Renee Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2017
    Messages:
    14,508
    Likes Received:
    7,720
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    when has that happened in this country? Since you describe this horrible actions why wouldn’t you be welcoming Muslims fleeing from that?
    Reminds me of the time when Jews were fleeing Christians during the holocaust
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2019 at 3:25 PM
    FoxHastings likes this.
  20. Iron_Merc

    Iron_Merc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    493
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    You are a real beauty. I love it when the liberal left puts words in my mouth that I never said. If you want to talk about suffering of these three groups of so called "subhumans" at the hands of the left, which is another issue altogether, I would be more than happy to do so via PM.

    I love how you just flat out assume I am minimizing the suffering of jews and slaves by grouping them with abortion victims. LOL Okay, we know the left makes brilliant assumptions, so you must be right on the money!

    The most despicable act is to minimize the horror, injustice, torture and death that unborn children endure at the hands of the liberal left. The blood is on your hands!

    Group a and group b suffered so much more than group c that we can in no way draw any other parallels between the three groups. Impossible and how dare you! LOL total liberal logic fail!

    You aren't making much sense. The suffering of blacks and jews at the hands of the liberals was brutal, yes? The suffering of unborn children in the hands of liberals is brutal, isn't it? If liberals profiled these so called "subhuman" people, I cant help that. I am merely giving the liberal left a history lesson they don't want to hear. Don't shoot the messenger!

    Like I said
    Jews = not a person during WW2 according to Hitler (liberal)

    Slaves=not a person according to southern democrats (liberals)
    unborn children=not a person according to democrats (liberals)


    Liberal buzzword of the day: Ignorance

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Replace "slavery" with abortion

    Abraham Lincoln's willingness to speak out against slavery in the 1860s was not a popular idea among those who wanted him to accommodate to the times and avoid the controversial issue. His profoundly moral position against slavery was not a cautious one. Boldly he spoke out repeatedly in defense of human life and dignity...

    The word 'abortion' can easily be substituted for the word 'slavery' in the following quote from Lincoln, and the passage could be addressed to so many today.

    What we want, and all we want, is to have with us the men who think slavery wrong. But those who say they hate slavery, and are opposed to it, but yet act with the … party -- where are they? Let us apply a few tests. You say that you think slavery is wrong, but you denounce all attempts to restrain it. Is there anything else that you think wrong, that you are not willing to deal with as a wrong? Why are you so careful, so tender of this one wrong and no other? You will not let us do a single thing as if it was wrong; there is no place where you will allow (slavery) to be even called wrong! We must not call it wrong in the Free States, because it is not there, and we must not call it wrong in the Slave States because it is there; we must not call it wrong in politics because that is bringing morality into politics, and we must not call it wrong in the pulpit because that is bringing politics into religion; we must not bring it into the Tract Society or the other societies, because those are such unsuitable places, and there is no single place, according to you, where this wrong thing can properly be called wrong!


    [​IMG]
    There is nothing humane about killing unborn babies. All three groups have suffered murder at the hands of the left, that's the bottom line.

    How dare you minimize the suffering that unborn babies go through at the hands of the liberal left. I think you would feel it, even not fully developed, if someone ripped your arms and legs off, limb from limb. There is no doubt, abortion is horrific for everyone involved. And this is the point where I would show an image of an aborted baby. But these images are so graphic they will make your stomach churn. You all have google so check them out and reflect on the suffering they must have gone through before the moment of death.
    Yes, abortionists use powerful vacuum machines to "suck" the baby out of the womb. Once again, the womb is the cradle of life, NOT a death chamber. The sooner you get that through your skull, the sooner our nation can heal.


     
    FatBack likes this.
  21. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    44,747
    Likes Received:
    14,246
    Trophy Points:
    113





    The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO..

    The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...
     
  22. Iron_Merc

    Iron_Merc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    493
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    Don't you just love to see what the left will cook up when the ugliness of abortion gets exposed for all the world to see?

    You said "the most despicable act is to compare...."

    Definition of compare:
    estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between.

    The original statement was:

    Jews = not a person during WW2 according to Hitler (liberal)
    Slaves=not a person according to southern democrats (liberals)
    unborn children=not a person according to democrats (liberals)

    It is TRUE to say I am "comparing" slaves and jews and unborn children relative to their personhood NOT relative to their level of suffering. I.e. noting the similarity of their subhuman status in the eyes of the liberal left.

    It is FALSE to say that I am "comparing" slaves and jews and unborn children on their level of suffering.

    It is slanderous to imply or infer anything more from my comments on the matter. The definition of slander is:
    The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation. <---- and this is exactly what you are doing

    If you think this goes any other way, you are clearly not interested in the truth and just putting words in my mouth that don't ring true to those who choose to think for themselves. Two separate issues. Connect the dots, please!

    [​IMG]
     
  23. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    41,364
    Likes Received:
    6,616
    Trophy Points:
    113
    "I did not say I was against strong border policy ? but, I am not the one going around claiming "every life is a precious gift from God that should be protected" - then turning around and claiming that people in need are human garbage"

    I really must have riled you with the last post -- So you cherry picked the comment above - out of a lengthy post- and said..

    "Nope. You are the bonehead and Trump is the president.
    Apparently, you think it's wrong to defend a critical border with guns. Chock up another liberal point of view in your political ideology"


    I have never said I was against strong border policy -2 x now - you are making up a story about me - aka strawman fallacy.

    Followed up with some more made up story - labeling me a liberal - in some desperate hope to "demonize the other" ?

    Clearly this has already gotten too stupid for words ...:) ..This is both interesting and cool.

    Time to diverge from this path for a moment.

    Sophisticated mind control techniques - otherwise known as "Propaganda" - branded later as "Public Relations"
    Is a multi Billion dollar industry. People have some stuff figured out .. look up "Edward Bernay"/Propaganda -- relative of Sigmund.

    This can be done via secular methods and it can be done via Religion.

    There is a whole spectrum .. from advertising - Media - Education system - military training - police training. on the secular side.
    There is also a broad spectrum on the religious side .. from straight up "destructive" Cults - followed closely by Fundamentalist Evangelicals and Pentecostals. The "born again crowd" in general - then you have regular churches Catholics .. Lutheran's Baptists at the other end of the scale ..along with Orthodox - which I classify as further down the spectrum.

    As you go further to the cult side of the spectrum - the techniques get far more sophisticated.

    On the non-cult side - You tell a child - that if they "Question" or "Disbelieve" the tenets of some holy book - the worst thing the mind can imagine will happen to them. Eternal Torture in the Afterlife not just for a couple of days - but for Eternity.

    Fear factor is high - right off the hop. This fear gets lodged deep into the subconscious of the adherent.

    When the adherent encounters information that conflicts with dogma - the fear is triggered - and the adherent tries to avoid the "bad thought" - because this thought might lead to eternal torture.

    When you get to the cult side - and ramp up the fear factor - that's when things get interesting.

    A neat switch happens - rather than believe in tenets of holy book -or go to hell - it is now Believe the cult leader's interpretation of that Holy Book or the eternal fire... and certainly don't question.

    The cult leader introduced a black vs white - good vs evil -God vs Devil, paradigm.
    Church doctrine/dogma - is "Good" .. anything conflicting with doctrine is "Evil" ..

    Anyone who conflicts with doctrine is under the influence of Satan. "Demonization of the other" .

    Satan is around every corner Trying to Trick you.

    The last step - is commonly found in cults that are trying to get adherents to kill in the name of God - such as in Radical Islamist ideology - at the far end of the spectrum

    An Apocalyptic narrative is created. This further ramps up the fear factor. There is war among the principalities .. a war between good and evil - God and Devil. This war is taking place here on earth - and this is a war for your soul. Lose this war and face Eternal Torture.

    The end times are near and you must act now - create sense of urgency in combo with ramping up the fear factor.

    If there is a war going on - such as in the ME - the American Infidel - is a perfect Demon proving the war is real.

    Demonization of the other - and dehumanization :) .. of the other - those that conflict with cult dogma.

    The Fundamentalist/Pentecostals - are not as far down the spectrum as radical Islamist ideology - but, it is far down the spectrum in terms of sophisticated techniques.

    This is why "Speaking for God" thing is so dangerous. As soon as the cult leader claims "God says so" - there can be no questioning without risk of eternal torture.

    Anyone who disagree's is evil - the other .. the infidel.

    It is an implanted "Thought Stopping Technique" - the adherent will go to the most ridiculous mind twisting acrobatics to avoid the "bad thought". ... Steve Hassan is a good reference - Cult Exit Councilor.

    Where are you on the Spectrum ?
     
  24. Iron_Merc

    Iron_Merc Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2019
    Messages:
    493
    Likes Received:
    196
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    Im merely highlighting the Christian values that played a large part in America's foundation.

    We came to America to escape religious persecution. And to practice that faith in peace and harmony with our fellow man.
    America's incredible cultural diversity originated from an all white male government because they laid the groundwork for equality for ALL. Yet the white man is under attack?

    [​IMG]
     
  25. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    44,747
    Likes Received:
    14,246
    Trophy Points:
    113

    The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO..

    The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...


    Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured.

    Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.
     

Share This Page