So with the dumping of rubble over the side, what proof is there that the "pile driver" had a net increase in mass on the way down? also the uniformity is evident in the fact of total destruction of the tower, and this circles back around to the allegation that destruction was not complete and then I bring up the fact that there are no documentary photos of ground zero right after the collapse..... oh well ......
Those towers were either brought down with more than just the planes, as tower 7 fell, OR those muslims actually have a real god name allah and he was the one that did it. If he did it, the USA is toast. You have to suspend your credibility to think this wasn't planned and executed with the help of the aircraft. Who did it is the question, besides the radicals. We thought the gulf of Tonkin incident was real until a few years ago. Imagine that.
That's hogwash,there were pictures and video takenafter the collapse events,as soon as it was safe to do so
AH, as soon as it was safe and exactly when was that? and were are these documentary pix? I'm not asking for a pile of snap-shots, I'm talking documentary photos. You have a link to any?
You are arguing from incredulity. - - - Updated - - - No, bob: it didn't. When your argument starts off with such a false premise, the rest can only follow suit.
First, the action of the "collapse" of anything but specifically a 110 story skyscraper will have a multitude of possible outcomes, the action can not be predicted with total certainty. and with that noted, the fact that two 110 story skyscrapers were totally destroyed, is significant in and of itself. Note that as of this time, nobody has produced documentary photographs of ground zero right after the collapse event. You alleged that the uniformity of "collapse" is a false premise, however what would you call it when the alleged "pile driver" mass remains balanced on top of the as yet undamaged part of the tower and does so all the way down to cause the "total collapse" as the official report calls it. The moment that one side of the tower started to break up in advance of other parts of the building, the pile driver mass would then shift, and that would then be the beginning of the end of the "collapse" in that the event would have to end before the total destruction of the building. There are a multitude of alternatives here and total destruction of the skyscraper is but one outcome of many.
Please note that nobody has been able to produce documentary photos of ground zero right after the "collapse". and what about the accounting for the aircraft, whole airliners just disappear and nobody is concerned? 9/11/2001 is a VERY poorly documented disaster. and that in and of itself is a disaster!
I'm saying that there wasn't any accounting for the aircraft snapshots of the wreckage of something(?) are NOT proof that a specific airliner crashed at that location and assumptions do not count, where is the accounting? Does anybody have some sort of figure either by weight or volume as to exactly how much of any one of the 4 alleged hijacked airliners was recovered? Simply parading a few pix of aircraft bits past the public may be sufficient for some people but effectively, the perpetrators made 4 airliners as much as disappear. & WHY is there not even a remnant of a flight recorder recovered from ground zero? There should have been a total of 4 flight recorders for "FLT11"/"FLT175" at the WTC..... where are they? 9/11 is one VERY poorly documented disaster!
As I said..impossible standards for proof And 9/11 was documented worldwide,so there goes another bogus claim
there are 2 cockpit voice recorders and 2 flight data recorders,None of them were designed to survive tons of debris falling on them. And that claim is ridiculous,it was documented worldwide
The Data Recorders had serial numbers and very specific sorts of electronics that even bits of these devices would be identifiable if any bits of them existed. In the case of rubble that was sorted for traces of human remains, and also artifacts such as keys & personal ID, were found but not any trace of a flight data recorder..... very strange.... also, if 9/11/2001 was well documented, then the question of the exact condition of the rubble pile post collapse, should be no problem at all to find photos of(?) or?
You fail to grasp the notion that the so called 'black boxes'would have had to survive the initial impact with the towers,as well as the collapse,and keys and ID are small stuff
In the history of big buildings, and let us leave the two towers to the aside for now, and just consider number 7. How many have collapsed like 7 did, from fires? Anyone know that answer? If none had collapsed as planned demo, then how did 7 fall as it did? I think allah was helping the radicals. Or, this was planned by someone other than the radicals, and they were assisted.
J So you accept the data recorders that were found from 77 and 93, and the data they contain, right? Or .....?
says no one of any relevence. - - - Updated - - - thirteen years later and only now you start asking???
So it wouldn't matter (to you) if the data recorders had been found at WTC. You would yell 'fraud' no matter what.
May I add, that even some planned demolitions gone wrong have resulted in the incomplete destruction of the building so therefore, it is a very precision operation, & just by chance, it just happened to fall exactly as would a building being demolished intentionally. Right Captain, & I'm a Klingon........ or something .....
I'll leave it for the random reader of this forum to parse out and take it for what its worth..... oh well ..... what a CROCK!
Blizzard of numbers? Is that too many for you to handle. The tons of steel and tons of concrete on each level would be 232 numbers. The NIST could not fit them into 10,000 pages. Assumes what? 400,000 tons? Aren't other estimates higher than that? Assumes that every level had the same weight? I admit that the assumption is incorrect but what other method can I use that is not even more arbitrary? There is no getting around the FACT that every level had to support all of the weight above it. The question is why hasn't any engineering schools made such a table. If the building weighed 400,000 tons or more then the weight had to be supported for 28 years. psik
Throwing out smelly flopping red fish now,I see The ONLY thing that had to hold was the hangers for each floor/level on the perimiter columns and the core columns....the amount of concrete in each 'level' had little to do with anything
