Holocaust mass graves discovered https://www.dw.com/en/forgotten-holocaust-mass-graves-are-rediscovered/a-14786957 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/261535 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...found-former-jewish-ghetto-belarus-180971587/ https://www.tracesofwar.com/sights/73486/Mass-Grave-Jewish-Holocaust-Victims.htm
I imagine that their bodies are scattered from Britain to Siberia No one disputes that millions of innocent Germans were massacred, raped & tortured after the war by little known henchmen like Salomon Morel etc
I checked all of your sources and none of them reveal anything but mounds of dirt claimed to be "mass graves". One of your sources found actual remains but admitted that they were unidentified as Jewish. From one of your own sources: https://www.dw.com/en/forgotten-holocaust-mass-graves-are-rediscovered/a-14786957 EXCERPT "Mass graves with victims of the Holocaust remain undiscovered in Belarus, Poland, Russia and Ukraine. A new campaign aims to find and identify the graves of hundreds of anonymous victims and give them a proper memorial."CONTINUED Another or your sources claim that the remains found were unidentified and the rest are just as fraudulent as the one exposed by Krege: "No Bodies Found at Treblinka" http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/01/no-bodies-found-at-treblinka.html
so you have no evidence of any bodies, anywhere? no evidence to confirm 9 to 15 million Germans killed?
the Nazis own records say 11 million Jews in Europe. after WW2, at least 5 million Jews were missing. where did they go?
The Nazis killed much more people, not just 6 million Jews. The Holocaust’s Forgotten Victims https://www.huffpost.com/entry/holocaust-non-jewish-victims_n_6555604
All Jewish men and women who were able to work were temporarily exempted from the so-called "final solution" and they were used for work in concentration camps. Himmler personally signed a letter to authorize this measure. Himmler's special order to the Camp Commandants stated that only insane prisoners would be selected for euthanasia (Action 14f 13) but the extermination of the sick and bedridden prisoner continued.
Firstly, I've repeatedly Posted documents that confirm only 4.5 million Jews under German control yet Germany's post WW 2 Government has paid out over 4.3 million claims(1) so your figure of "5 million Jews" missing is like many figures in holocaust lore, vastly inflated. The "missing" Jews who survived the Eastern camps either followed the Russian rapists & looters back westward where they took the homes of displaced Germans, went to Palestine, the US or, like Salomon Morel, set up death camps where they exterminated innocent German civilians. (1) "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/ EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here, In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews; – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested; – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists; – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government)CONTINUED
No reparations were paid to the German civilians whose homes were destroyed or confiscated & who were massacred so there was little reason to calculate their number or look for mass graves & preserve them. Secondly, there is no multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry to research the fate of of the millions of Germans who perished in Eisenhower's criminal death camp, France's concentration camps, Soviet gulags etc. EXCERPT "The mass media — television, newspapers, film and magazines — rarely, if ever, look at the fate of the millions of German civilians in central and eastern Europe during and following World War II." CONTINUED BELOW: "A Forgotten Genocide – The Systematic Ethnic Cleansing of Germans in Post-War Europe" https://justice4germans.wordpress.c...eansing-of-ethnic-germans-in-post-war-europe/ EXCERPT "It is estimated that between 12 and 15 million ethnic Germans, including children, were systematically expelled, tortured, raped, put in camps, starved, enslaved and executed after World War II from 1944-1948, and later. Their only crime was being German. These actions were many cases government sanctioned and done in full knowledge of the victorious allies. To date, no one has ever been held accountable, and most do not know or do not acknowledge this genocide."CONTINUED
they were worked until they died. healthy Jews were not allowed to survive as the Nazis feared they might end up forming an army to take vengeance against Germany. from the Wannsee Conference Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as a the seed of a new Jewish revival (see the experience of history.)
so you're saying the Nazis never conquered or had Fascist allies in Ukraine? Hungary? eastern Poland? Lithuania? Latvia? Romania? Slovakia? Romania? Vichy France? they didn't have Fascist allies that assisted them in their Final Solution against the Jews? if that's what you're saying, you're terrible incorrect or lying. the Fascist regimes of Hungary, Viche France, Romania, Italy, Slovakia, helped the Nazis deal with their Jewish "problem". the Nazis also conquered eastern Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, and other areas which brought the number of Jews under direct Nazi or Nazi-allied Fascist control to more than 9 million.
I wonder why you compare one wrong to another. Germans did atrocities and others committed atrocities on Germans as well. German perpetrators and German victims weren't the same. That's why your comparison is nonsense.
above is the Nazi's list of Jews in Europe. Section A lists all the areas under direct German control in 1942. Section B refers to all areas free of German control, Nazi allies, and Allied forces. the nations under Section B that were Nazi allies or ended up being under Nazi control were: Finland Italy Croatia Romania Serbia Slovakia Hungary Ukraine Belarus eastern Poland these areas brought 4.7 million Jews under Nazi or Nazi-ally control, added to the 4.5 million Jews already under direct Nazi control. all of these territories fully cooperated with Nazi deporation to Poland or local extermination of Jews. The ONLY Axis state that did not help the Nazis deport or kill Jews, was Bulgaria.
Firstly, I don't lie or have reason to since, unlike you, I've been able to support all of my assertions. Not only did the Nazis have allies in the countries you listed, they also comprised 150,000 Jews, numerous Asians, Slavs, Frenchmen, Arabs, Ukrainians etc who served in Hitler's military.(1) The German High Command even disbanded some of these foreign volunteers for excessive cruelty. Persecution of Jews in many of the places you listed already existed long before the German invasion & occupation so it's safe to assume that that persecution increased while under Nazi occupation. I still don't understand why there is such an obsessive focus on inflated Jewish casualties when so many other groups faced genocidal persecution before, during & after WW 2 including the millions of innocent German civilians who neither knew nor had anything to do with Nazi criminality. "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?" https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102 EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis. The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did. Even after Stalingrad; Spaniards, Slavs, Franks, and tens of- thousands of other non-Germans continued to fight for the Nazis on a volunteer basis. Frenchmen and Arab volunteers gave their lives in the final fight for the capital of Berlin in 1945. Hitler continued to allow thousands of Jewish men to serve, and many did so with incredible tenacity and valor."CONTINUED
so you finally admit that upwards of 9 million Jews fell under the control of the Nazis or their Fascist allies who mostly cooperated with the executions and deportations to Poland? glad to see you finally came around. as to "150,000 Jews served in the Nazi army", that is a lie. very few of them were catagorized as "Jews" by the Nuremberg Laws or considered Jews by Jewish law or the Jewish community. In order for a "Jew" to serve in the Nazi military, a certificate of Aryan Blood had to be issued by Hitler himself, and very few of those were issued except for some high-ranking man who were already part of the pre-Nazi Luftwaffe or Wehrmacht.
I never said that German perpetrators & German victims were the same. I am simply asserting that the crimes committed by Germans is far more widely publicized than the crimes committed against Germans. How is that "nonsense"? "A Forgotten Genocide – The Systematic Ethnic Cleansing of Germans in Post-War Europe" https://justice4germans.wordpress.c...eansing-of-ethnic-germans-in-post-war-europe/ EXCERPT "Why, for instance, are German civilian losses, and particularly the staggering number of postwar losses among ethnic Germans, dealt with so sketchily, if at all, in school history courses? The mass media — television, newspapers, film and magazines — rarely, if ever, look at the fate of the millions of German civilians in central and eastern Europe during and following World War II."CONTINUED
yes, you already posted that 9 to 15 million Germans were murdered after WW2. we're waiting for the evidence. we're waiting for the photos of the mass-graves
I live in Germany. Our neo-Nazis claim that Western allies intentionally starved German POWs to death at the Rheinwiesen camps.
No, not exactly. I think the main point on which we disagree is in our interpretation of the term "under German control" Just because the Germans conquered a country doesn't mean that they had absolute control over every acre & its entire population. The German military was stretched very thinly from Norway to N. Africa & France to Ukraine. It's inconceivable that one European country's military could effectively police such a vast area. That's why the Wannsee Conference's of 4.5 Jews "under German control" seems accurate to me. Just because a country's Jewish population is 10,000 Jews doesn't mean that they were all "under German control".
that's lovely. the fact is, at some point during WW2, as many as 9.2 million Jews were under German military control or the control of their allies. and most of those allies helped them deport and mass-murder millions of Jews also keep in mind German military control of Europe in 1942 was smaller than it was in 1943....and kept growing through the first half of 1944. so basically, you fail. Miserably.
This is precisely why debating deluded holocaustians is like cleaning the cat's litter box: Once you sift through their falsehoods, slurs & evasions all you're left with is a bag of feces. They seem entirely unable to discuss this one tragedy of many tragedies calmly, honestly & directly without rancor. For someone who has failed to to produce a photo of just one German WW 2 era, homicidal gas chamber, failed to address the issue of missing Jewish "mass graves"(1) failed to account for the lack of smoke from the crematoria, failed to grasp how cremation works & failed to comply with the OP, you're in no position to whine about "failure". In addition to other evasions, you continue to evade the core issue of the OP, why is there so much focus on the holocaust at the expense of equal or greater tragedies? This is America and our monuments should reflect American history. Why isn't there a monument-museum memorializing the plight of North America's native residents on the priceless piece of land currently occupied by the USHMM that costs Americans $40 million per year? Earlier fraudulent holocaust lore included tall tales about "human soap", "human skin lampshades", shrunken heads, homicidal "steam chambers", homicidal "electrocution chambers" and, now, in current holocaust mythology, no one can produce even one homicidal gas chamber or the remains of one. Other holocaust tales believed by gullible holocaustians include: EXCERPTS: • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED(2) Finally, it is a criminal offense in many Western democracies to even question the standard holocaust narrative while one can openly deny other equal or greater atrocities. Why? The Truth welcomes the sunlight of honest examination & open discussion while a Lie requires the darkness of government censorship to survive (1) "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX" http://www.nafcash.com/ THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE $100,000.00 REWARD For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED (2) “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust” http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php
