About the Holocaust

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  1. pitbull

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    Trump will win in 2020

    Nancy the demon has lost
     
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    Well contrary to mr. Pitbull the majority of Poles are smarter and do not like any kind of islamization.
     
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    They are so smart because they are not at risk from an ominous "Islamization." Poles are very realistic. They see their real enemy, which is Russia, not Islam.

    Germans, indeed, are quite paranoid about Islam and refugees from the Middle East. Islamophobia has now become part of the "German Angst".

    Do you understand the German language?

     
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    Sorry for the delay in responding but I've been busier than usual lately.

    The standard holocaust narrative(SHN) is that all Jews were persecuted, exterminated etc but since 150,000 Jews served in some of Germany's highest ranks and were publicly awarded Germany's highest military honors with the full knowledge of Hitler, Himmler etc then the Holocaust could not have happened as per the SHN.

    “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
     
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    Sorry bro, but that's a fallacy. The Nazis understood the Jews as predators of the "Aryan race". The Nazi worldview was purely biological. They saw only a very little difference between human societies and the animal kingdom.

    So they believed they had to exterminate most of the Jews for the sake of survival. And they also believed that the superior Aryan race could safely absorb a small percentage of Jewish genes without negative consequences.
     
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    Is that what you feel about Jews ???
     
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    This is about history, dear friend, not about feelings.
     
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    I am just not a big fan of anything German !!!!!! 2 World Wars, Holocaust. I hope you guys take in 10 million more Muslims lol
     
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    Let Germany be destroyed from within... Who cares .. I dont

    Your native nation of Poland is far smarter
     
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    The PALES have full self rule in Gaza and West Bank. The are run by the Hamas and PA
     
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    Today's majority of Germans are no longer warmongers and racists like the Nazis. They give a **** about their past which wasn't good. They're in favor of freedom and democracy. They strive to be a respected member of the EU. They spit on nationalism and hatred against other peoples.
     
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    That is why your nation is collapsing and failing !!!!! you have no future in Germany. You have zero identity and soon will be engulfed
     
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    Germany has been conquered by Marxism !!!!
     
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    Do you prefer Germans who hate and murder other peoples (like Jews and Muslims?) Do you need this enemy image to feel good?

    We're sorry not to be able to fulfill this wish for you. Today's Germany is multicultural just like the US. :)

    If you want to talk to nationalistic German haters, please contact @Sobo
     
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    Yes the USA is very mixed
    We’re like the Balkins
    It has failed as too much diversity never works
     
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    I believe that the false but standard holocaust narrative is that Hitler & the Nazis did, indeed, want to exterminate all Jews and that to claim otherwise is "Holocaust denial" or Revisionist thinking (aka: the truth):

    “World War II: The Holocaust”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/10/world-war-ii-the-holocaust/100170/

    EXCERPT “Later in the war, this policy grew into Hitler's "final solution", the complete extermination of the Jews.” CONTINUED

    Furthermore, in your post #726 you stated:

    Because of the success of the Rosenstrasse protest(*), it seems that rather than fearing Jews because of a biological influence they may have had that Germany's NS government feared some of the world's Jews due to a global Jewish boycott of all German goods and a declaration of war by "Judea" (aka world Jewry)(1) as early as 1933 which was the first declaration of war in WW 2.

    Secondly but perhaps most of all, Hitler feared the massive Communist movement in Soviet Russia whose leadership was made up of ruthless Communist Jews like Leonid Reichman, Ginrikh Yagota etc(2). Even though Stalin purged much of the Jewish Communist leadership later, Stalin was still prepared & poised to conquer all of Western Europe & did invade Iran with the British in 1941.
    With Stalin's massive army, extensive resources and actual ability to conquer large parts of the world, who knows how far he would have gotten if Germany had not launched it's pre-emptive strike.

    Jews who were loyal to Germany such as the many Jews who served in Germany's military and their families were much less likely to face persecution than the Bolshevik & Communist Jews who threatened Germany's survival during the post WW 1 chaos & starvation.

    The NS German leadership had no actual intentions to "conquer the world" because even with the 2 million non-German volunteer soldiers, Germany lacked the manpower and resources to do so and the German High Command knew it.



    (*) . “The Women’s Rosenstrasse Protest”
    https://historycollection.co/taking-stand-evil-tales-german-resistance-wwii/8/


    (1) "Jews Declare War on Germany 1933"
    https://archive.org/stream/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT "Jews Of All The World Unite ..."

    "Judea Declares War on Germany!" - Daily Express headline, March 24, 1933.

    "Judea Declares War on Germany! Jews of all the World Unite! Boycott of German Goods!

    Mass Demonstrations!" - These were all headlines in the Daily Express on March 24, 1933.

    "The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany.

    Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish

    wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and

    the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people." - Daily

    Express, March 24, 1933"CONTINUED


    (2) "Stalin's Jews"

    "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people."CONTINUED
     
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    That's true. Hitler himself announced the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe.
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Egdw0bcSJBoV/
    He used different ways to achieve that. Mass murder in extermination camps was just one of them.

    Btw, it's no Holocaust denial to reject the claim that 6 million were gassed. It was "only" about 3 million. The others were starved to death or shot.
     
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    Besides the mass killings in death camps the Einsatzguppen roamed the the countrysides killing and burning the bodies usually in areas just outside the village they were in.

    Gassing came later as an answer to spare the men the discomfort of shooting women and children.
     
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    If there were really some grand plan to exterminate Europe's Jews, there would have been written orders much like Stalin's many execution orders yet no such written order has been found in tons of documents over more than 70 years(1)

    Additionally, if it were Hitler's desire to exterminate all Jews he wouldn't have allowed them to join the Nazi Party (2) or armed, trained and allowed 150,000 of them to serve in Germany's WW 2 military among numerous other exceptions I have already listed.

    Hitler's Jewish soldiers were not desperate conscripts but, like WW 1, they were volunteers many of whom rose to Germany's highest ranks and received Germany's highest military honors in open public.

    Additionally, Germany was fighting a 2 front and later, 3 front war against vastly superior odds and had neither the manpower nor resources to feed, transport, house and medically treat millions of people simply to murder them through complex, expensive and dangerous homicidal gas chambers, homicidal steam chambers, electrocution chambers or fantastic "Conveyor Belts of Death" (3)or other fictitious means(4).

    If the Nazis really wanted to exterminate all of Europe's Jews they would not have armed & trained 150,000 of them. The Nazis would have done what Stalin did to his far greater number of victims.
    That is simply dump them in a remote location and let them die of exposure & starvation where many resorted to cannibalism.



    (1) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (2) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of partial Jewish descent."CONTINUED


    (3)"Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    “The Problems of Mass Gassing”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/

    EXCERPT “In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.

    Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held Poland.

    Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust Center states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April 1975, page 5, "No gassing took place in any camp on German soil."

    The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross, English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or did not believe in rumors of gassings.

    This brings up the following questions:

    • 1). Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.

    • 2). There have been thousands of investigations of alleged Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single person gassed—AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS!

    • 3). Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus.

    • 4). The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED
     
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    Here is an interesting video about why Hitler wanted to get rid of the Jews:
    https://worldtruth.video/watch/jewi...-hated-the-jews-2017-mp4_88hLYBExnVZN7lG.html

    It wasn't just that the Jews of the world declared War on Germany, it was also, or mainly, because the Jews, as the organized Communists in Weimar-Germany, were about to do the same to Germany they were doing to Russia... kill millions, starting with the top intelligentsia.
    Hitler was only trying to prevent them from achieving a repeat revolution in Germany.

    I'm glad there are some Jews who talk honestly about that part of history.
     
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    Yes there were some dangerous JEWS in the Communist party in Russia but it was still less than 15 percent of membership. The JEWS in rest of Europe were mostly: White collar and blue collar people and were exterminated because the NAZIS found them undesirable people. The were innocent and used as scape goats.
     
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    I see, you believe in Santa Claus and Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy!
     

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