About the Holocaust

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  1. pitbull

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    Your sources contain neither evidence nor truthers. Holocaust deniers who exalt themselves still remain Holocaust deniers. :)
     
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    The best way to deal with this issue is to look at the truthers' actual arguments.
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    Listen to these two speeches of Hitler's.

    Adolf Hitler Explains His Reasons For Invading The Soviet Union
    https://archive.org/details/AdolfHitlerExplainsHisReasonsForInvadingTheSovietUnion
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/barXPC8YT7em/

    Adolf Hitler - Why Germany Invaded Poland
    https://altcensored.com/watch?v=pe0gIdVgeow

    Here's more on it.
    http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/11/1/6391
    http://ihr.org/other/WhyGermanyStruckUSSR

    He may have been lying to the German people and soldiers but at least we know what they were thinking as the German army invaded Poland and Russia. Americans are taught that Hitler said to the German people, "We should invade eastern Europe to expand German territory" and the German people said, "Good idea, let's do it". The German people and soldiers believed (perhaps wrongly) they were righting old wrongs and defending their territory. That is one confirmed lie that the American government tells the American people. Does that make you a little suspicious? If there's one lie, there may be others.

    Here's some more stuff.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hitler's+War+-+What+the+Historians+Neglect+to+Mention&sm=12

    If the above link goes to nowhere, try this one.
    https://archive.org/search.php?query=Hitler's War - What the Historians Neglect to Mention
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    https://archive.org/details/youtube-WmDfi5t6RXA
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Who+Started+World+War+II?+by+Viktor+Suvorov&sm=12
    https://archive.org/details/david-irving-churchills-war
    https://archive.org/details/MarkWeberSpeaksOnHitlersPlaceInHistory_201810
    https://www.youtube.com/results?sea...+The+Faking+of+Adolf+Hitler+for+History&sm=12

    This analysis of WW2 seems pretty objective.
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    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...-45&sk=&cvid=339FADA5617E436EB36CC3B5ABBABB2B


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    Here's the revisionist version of why the Germans didn't like the Jews.

    This happened first.

    An alternate look at WW1 & WW2 (p-1 of 4)


    Watch all four parts.


    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html

    The Balfour Declaration - Benjamin Freedman
    https://altcensored.com/watch?v=I_xF9ly-eyQ

    (Here's the full video)
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/jhKefCjNe5Zs/


    Then this happened.
    http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.se/2012/03/more-important-history-revealed-how.html

    Then the Jews did this in retaliation.
    http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
    http://guardian.150m.com/jews/jews-declare-war.htm

    This was happening while the above was happening.

    Dr. Mark Weber: Adolf Hitler's German Economic Miracle
    https://archive.org/details/hitlerseconomicmiraclept12-adolfhitler-thelastgreatwhiteman
     
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  4. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    CLASSIC STRAWMAN FALLACY



    I defy you to show anything I have written and supported throughout that is not the truth.

    I never said that Germany did not lose WW 2 or any of the other things you listed.

    Why don't you try to disprove the things I DID say which were:

    "However, not a single homicidal gas chamber has been found in ANY of the camps and, at Auschwitz there was never enough coke/coal to burn 600,000 bodies"

    According to ledgers captured at Auschwitz where the "liberators" raped many of the inmates(1), there was only enough coal/coke delivered to cremate about 70,000 people yet the professional liars of the profitable Holocaust Industry claim, today, that about 1.1 million people were murdered there but no mass graves of any significance have been found anywhere in the area surrounding Auschwitz.

    To prove a murder, you need a body.

    To prove mass murder, you need many bodies but no mass graves have been found even though thousands of innocent Germans were murdered in Soviet-style "Show trials" based on transparent and contradictory lies (aka "eyewitness testimony").

    So, zalekbloom, where are the mountains of 1.1 million human remains?

    By the way, cremation like the ones done at Auschwitz still leaves skeletal remains and teeth yet the billions of bones and teeth from 1.1 million bodies simply aren't there. Where are they?

    The other part of my comment had to do with non-existent "homicidal gas chambers". Execution by cyanide gas is perhaps the most dangerous, impractical and labor intensive means of execution yet gullible holocaustians still believe that they were used to kill millions of people. If homicidal gas chambers were used to kill millions of people, hundreds of them would have been needed.
    Where are these hundreds of homicidal gas chambers?

    Meanwhile:
    EXCERPT:
    • 1). Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.

    • 2). There have been thousands of investigations of alleged Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single person gassed—AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS!

    • 3). Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus.

    • 4). The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED (2)

    So, these are just two of the simple facts that disprove the criminal fable used to dupe gullible holocaustian cult members, murder and slander countless, innocent Germans, extort $ Billions from Germany, other countries and entities around the world.





    (1) “Raped by their saviours: How the survivors of Auschwitz escaped one nightmare only to face another unimaginable ordeal”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...aped-nightmare-faced-unimaginable-ordeal.html

    EXCERPT “The exact number of sexual attacks perpetrated by Soviet soldiers as they advanced through Germany, and then in the immediate aftermath of the war, will never be known, but the figure is certainly in the hundreds of thousands if not millions.

    The revelation that women who had already endured so much mistreatment in camps such as Auschwitz were then subsequently raped by their liberators adds a grotesque level of nausea to the story that did not exist before.” CONTINUED


    (2) “The Problems of Mass Gassing”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/
     
  5. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your post implies very importent question: how do we know what happened if we did not participate in the event? There are 2 solutions to this problem:
    1. We trust experts
    2. We will investigate the event by ourselves.

    I assume you are not expert, you did not investigate German, Polish, or Soviets archives, you did not interrogated witnesses, you did not take ground samples and more, so now the other question is: which experts we should trust?
    I don't know which experts you trust, I trust academia. Why? Because in the academia the censorship is almost not existing and each expert must reveal his sources.
    Currently I am on the biking trip in France, writing on my phone, so I cannot show you all sources. but:
    There documents showing who created gas chambers.
    Land around Aushvitz contains human remains.
    In Poland many people where caught digging for gold in mass graves.Graves.
    Gas chambers were destroyed by retreating Germans. There are written orders (if remember correctly by Himmler in 1944) to stop gassing people and to destroy mass graves.
    It is true, Soviets soldiers raped Auschwitz survivers, but thete is no connection to the Holokaust.
    If bodies were burned, it is logical that the is no evidence of the "dead body" , only chemical residue of organic matter. I am not chemist, but quite possible it can be proved that the left residue is human.

    Cyanide gas is perfect solution for mass killing and not voluntary was found to demonstrate it is not. German tried first to gas people using truck exhaust gasses (there are documents for ordering such trucks), but it was very inefficient.

    Of course you can claim that all academia are communists who hate Germany and you have right to think this way, you can even believe in tooth fairy.
     
  6. Bob Newhart

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    This is what i said in response to someone else - not you.
    You quoted this post and responded with . . .
    For starters, Iran is not even mentioned in my post you quoted. Now, I'm assuming you misquoted the wrong post and I'm being gracious by allowing you the opportunity to correct your mistake.
     
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    You've lost the debate so you are resorting to

    War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.
     
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    Anti-semitism has existed in Europe for centuries at least to the 15th Century and earlier. Anti-semitism never caused a near extinction event. Large numbers of Jews existed throughout Europe Prior to WWII. Only when anti-semitism was combined with homicidal socialism did the Holocaust occur. If Hitler was a Marxist Socialist, he and his government would still have slaughtered a ton of people, they just would have been selected using different criteria.
     
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    Here's a video about the academic community. There are three links to the same video in case one or two go off-line.

    9/11 and the Academic Community

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=9/11 and the Academic Community&&view=detail&mid=6A8CE5A517FDA29BA2886A8CE5A517FDA29BA288&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=/videos/search?q=9%2f11+and+the+Academic+Community&FORM=HDRSC3
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/nekt69WhlBwF/

    It's about their lack of objectivity on the 9/11 issue but it shows that they're afraid to say what they really think as there will probably be dire consequences if they stray from the official narrative. They may lose their positions and their retirement pensions. They would be in the same situation with the holocaust issue.
     
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    You lost the debate with your lame response to post #2304.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-93#post-1072773821

    Your ignoring all this info...
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-94#post-1072775093

    ...just makes you look silly as the viewers are looking at a lot of it. Your pretending it's not there doesn't make it go away.

    This is the way that paid sophists* behave when they lose a debate. They ignore the fact that they lost and try to bury the part of the debate in which they lost. Then they go on as if nothing had happened. You can pretend all you want. Your lame response would have gotten you laughed out of the debating hall if this were a live debate at a university with a large audience. You have no credibility.


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    https://www.clubconspiracy.com/counter-intellegience-tricks-and-techniques-t4702.html
     
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    Holocaust denial does not entail arguing over whether National Socialism created a racial state. The only person who has raised this is you to deflect from yourbidiotic statement you can not defend that socialism is the primary cause of demonize and so the holocaust.
     
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    Who are you addressing now, me, someone else, voices in your head? No one is debating the above.
     
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    One of the problems here is that you seem to have the belief that social welfare programs equate to socialism. The key belief of socialism is that property is a privilege and not a right. With this belief, the question is what will happen when the state comes to take away the property of those whom it believes abuses or does not deserve the privilege. What happens to the people whom the state believes should not own property? Will the state still feed them? Or will they be starved to death? Or, will they remove them from society? How will they remove them from society?
    You don't seem to know what a fact is. I listed them as socialist because they are. You have provided no evidence to the contrary.
    Not all socialists and communists openly opposed Hitler. Communists and Socialists made up 30% of the country.

    Your argument has completely failed.
    :yawn:

    I have already stated, a few times I believe, that race does not exist and is simply made up. Jews in Europe were not identifiable through skin color or facial features despite what Nazi's may say. Jews were identified in Europe through their religion. Whether a race is based upon religion or skin color is irrelevant.

    So, is Israel a Jewish state?

    That basically says it all.

    That being said, I believe there are many problematic governments around Israel.
     
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    I was clearly quoting Grau . . . Now, I know what the problem is. You are ignoring Grau! :roflol:
     
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    You did not clarify who you responded to and because you did not , lent to the appearance you responded to me. How about you actually address the person you claim to debate. Or is that too difficult?
     
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    See above post.
     
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    No it was not clear at all and in fact you have become spanning with your responses that I too now will put you on ignore.
     
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    :yawn:
     
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    Do you promise?

    Isn't it fun that Death ends with a complete lie.
     
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    You now refer back to my post? You are past being annoying and this is why we have an ignore button. You race to respond without giving any thought to what you write.
     
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    Yes I am putting you on ignore.
     
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    Many people say that but then they don't keep their promise. We'll see if you can keep that promise.
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I read his book which he wrote in Polish communist prison. He admitted he was beaten by English, but not by Polish - I am not buying it, but he mentioned orders he received, his superiors and other facts which can be verified.
     
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