Abstinence trends on Twitter in wake of Roe v. Wade ruling (nypost.com)

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  1. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    80 percent of mexico is catholic im not too concerned
     
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    Most abortion protesters don't have to worry about much sex anyway.
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Eventually I think the world will see its not one persons choice to decide the life of anothers. Just my opinion.
     
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    I have fewer issues with abortion being limited to the moment a fetus can have a sympathetic pain response through a developed CNS.
     
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    As educational attainment and medical understanding increases so does support of a woman’s right to bodily autonomy.

    So without some new revelations I hope you are incorrect as it would indicate a loss of those two advancements.
     
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    Will no one have the courage to answer any of the posed questions? @Steve N @Oldyoungin @HurricaneDitka

    Since you feel these are persons, are illegal immigrants carrying a US citizen if impregnated on US soil?

    Does the bodily autonomy of one overrule the bodily autonomy of another?

    Should anyone be forced to give their body, life or organs to save another?
     
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    I think the lgbtq+ movement has increased awareness of a respecting life no matter how unique or different it is from the norm. I think its only a matter of time before "queer life matters " "trans life matters "black life matters" becomes "unborn babys life matters". Once someone identifies as a spokesperson for these unborn children who cant communicate, they will get representation just like disabled who cant speak or fend for themselves.
     
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    It's got nothing to do with "courage". Your questions appeared dumb on their face, and I'm about to go to bed. Maybe if I'm bored tomorrow I'll write up a more substantive response, but honestly, with such poorly thought-out questions, you should probably lower your expectations for the quality of responses you might expect to receive.
     
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    Im not big into deportation as much as i am better overall border security. Maybe said pregnant women are given care and a path to citizenship
     
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    Again, all of those are sentient beings.
    A zygote is not.

    I don’t see how your side cannot see this isn’t a black and white issue. You are forcing a woman to act as an unwilling incubator to the state. It is one thing to say the fetus deserves to be protected but comparing that to the lives of sentient humans is just completely absurd.
     
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    I guess I am more conservative on that issue than you are then.

    And the remaining questions:
    Does the bodily autonomy of one overrule the bodily autonomy of another?

    Should anyone be forced to give their body, life or organs to save another?
     
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    Because in most circumstances the women was a willing participant in the action that lead to her circumstances
     
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    When the option is give birth or murder life, yes that babies life over rules the mothers decision IMO. The mom has made her choice at time of conception unless otherwise raped.
     
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    They each revolve around the idea that the life of a zygote should overrule the rights of the mother. If you need to jump to insults then feel free to discontinue replying
     
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    Eh, **** it. I'm taking a **** for a few minutes anyways.

    Citizenship is determined by where they're born, not conceived. Personship is a different matter. You seem to have the two confused.

    Yes, the bodily autonomy of the one that would certainly be killed overrules the bodily autonomy of the one that will be moderately inconvenienced.

    No, and pro-life advocates are in pretty broad agreement that women should not be forced to carry a pregnancy to term if there's good evidence it will cost them their life.
     
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    And in the circumstances when she wasn’t? How does being a willing participant mean she becomes ineligible for medical treatment after consultation with her doctor?
     
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    Because unfortunately decisions have consequences.
     
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    So then those fetuses have no rights that are conferred to US citizens, correct?

    A pregnancy is more than a moderate inconvenience. Especially in some cases.

    She is being forced to give her body for another though — against her will. That is unheard of medically and why the vast majority of physicians support abortion in early trimesters.
     
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    But they don’t have to in this instance, it is being forced to be a consequence.

    That you are calling this life you are demanding overrule the bodily autonomy of another a consequence should indicate this isn’t just about that life.
     
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    Should abortion be legal if the mother is raped?
     
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    Its just how i see it
     
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    But I think a police report should taken while the victim is in the hospital. By a female plain clothes officer and a councilor or something like that.
     
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    You do understand that fetuses do show sentient awareness in the womb correct?
     
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    Not really, we have pills that can simply stop implantation and fertilization, that isn’t life by any medical definition that exists

    Several states are targeting this

    thomas as indicated that even the right to contraceptives should be reevaluated
     
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    Sorry but I follow a different philosophy and use a different system of guidance.
     

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