"...reconstituting their national home in that country" is flowery diplomat-speak for "allowing them to live there". It does not confer sovereignty in any shape or form.
MEMRI is The Middle East Media Research Institute, that it's center located in Washington D.C. MEMRI is a Non-governmental source, hence it isnt depending on any view of any government in the world.
If it is as you say, that just to "allow them to live there", then they didnt need to use the word "reconstitute" (which is to re-establish something). If it just allow them to just live there, then there is nothing to re-establish there, and yet it does say that something need to re-establish there that will be for the Jews.
LOL!!!! it was created by the Mossad and is staffed by former Mossad agents - - - Updated - - - the current boundaries of Palestine NEVER were reflected by any of the Jewish kingdoms. neither Judah nor Israel. - - - Updated - - - sorry, this is a lie. the Arabs didn't immigrate to Palestine from neighboring nations. they simply have a high birthrate, similar to today. and no, Israel doesn't respect their rights. Israel steps on them
It didnt created by the Mossad. MEMRI founded to inform the debate over U.S. policy in the Middle East, and not for Israeli purposes. Where in the comment that you qouted, I stated something about the Jewish kigdoms? The Arabs firstly came to this area in the 7th century + alot of work immigrants came to the Land of Israel before 1948.
As far as I have a deep understanding for the Palestinians and their bad threating by Israel in many things, I must really ask when there was ever any Palestinian state existing which makes Abu Mazen believe to claim that anything is occupied by Israel what is theirs? Until end of WW-1 this all was Ottoman Empire, after this it was in parts French (Lebanon) and rest in British hands. After WW-2 and after the founding of Israel was given by UN, the disputed territory here was part of Jordan and Egypt but nowhere Palestine nation! Sure, Israel occupied much more as what they were given in 1948 due to the several wars between them and their neighbors which were all military won by Israel and it is correct that the population = Palestinian were the victim of it until now but again: There was and is nowhere ever any Palestinian country really declared! Israel was founded at least on foreign territory but with will and under control of British! It is very comparable to other countries at least for example Kuwait which was Iraqi territory and become only independent due to British will. We can also question the existence of countries as Jordan, Lebanon and Syria the same way, because when did these countries ever exist before their foundation, which was only short before founding of Israel? And to go back into history of last centuries, if not last millenniums is nonsense or does anyone seriously back any possible Italian claim to re-install Roman Empire before 500 AC? Does anyone back any North African claim to re-install the caliphates of Cordoba and Grenada in Spain?
The institute was co-founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and Meyrav Wurmser, an Israeli-born American political scientist. very few Arab immigrants came to Palestine between 1922 and 1948. if the Jewish kingdoms aren't being reconstituted, then which Jewish soverign state in Palestine is being reconstituted??? LOL!!!!
And where do you say a word about the Mossad? Where in the comment that you qouted, I stated something about the Jewish kigdoms?
When there was a "Palestinain" state? good question, you need to ask that the Arabs. But clearly that letter of Abu Mazen and such statements, as I provided, reveal their true intentions for this land.
how can the jewish nation be reconstituted if we aren't talking about the Jewish kingdoms. every soverign Jewish nation in palestine, before 1949, was a kingdom MEMRI was created by a former Israeli Mossad officer, wich shows his agenda and allegiance - - - Updated - - - when was there a Jewish nation that was NOT a kingdom?
I already replied to such claims. Please read: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=429277&page=16&p=1065652321#post1065652321 So when was a "Palestinain" state?
we're talking about a Jewish nation, which only existed before 1949 as a kingdom. and you know that the borders of the jewish kingdom were never reflected by the modern borders of Palestine
I talked about the document of the Mandate, and you are talking about the Jewish kingdoms. Two seperate issues. Please focus!
no, you said the reconstitution of the jewish nation, which was a kingdom. and NEVER followed the borders of Palestine
The preamble of the Mandate, please go read it. I have reproduced the PREAMBLE and the 28 Articles of the Mandate for Palestine in here for ALL to read. I am sure this will be an eye opener for some, and to all those who still believe that the State of Israel was <created> when in reality it was RECONSTITUTED. MANDATE FOR PALESTINE Preamble The Council of the League of Nations: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provision of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them ; and Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country ; and Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the ground for reconstituting their national home in that country ; and Whereas the principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine ; and Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval ; and Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions ; and Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph , it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League of Nations ; Confirming the said mandate, defines its terms as follows : ARTICLE 1 The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate ARTICLE 2 The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. ARTICLE 3 The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy. ARTICLE 4 An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may effect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the administration, to assist and take part in the development of the country. The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognized as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic
That's not what I said. I said: If it is as you say, that just to "allow them to live there", then they didnt need to use the word "reconstitute" (which is to re-establish something). If it just allow them to just live there, then there is nothing to re-establish there, and yet it does say that something need to re-establish there that will be for the Jews. Source: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=429277&page=16&p=1065652220#post1065652220
There's nothing there that confers "sovereignty" all it says is that Jewish people would be allowed to settle in Palestine; they could live there, not rule there.
The word reconstitute was used because at that time there was a widespread belief in the myth that the Jewish people had been expelled, so this wouls allow them to live there again, nothing was ever said about conferring sovereignty on the Jewish immigrants, nor was anything said about a Jewish state.
The word "reconstitute" is referring to something that need to be estalished once again, and the claim of "they just said that the Jews can live there" is not fulfilling the word "reconstitute", because to just live in the Land of Israel, is not to reconstitute something. BTW- the Jews did were expelled from the Land of Israel. It is an historical fact.
most Jews were not expelled from Israel. this is a myth even before the Hasmonean Kingdom, many jews lived elsewhere, especially in the Roman empire, persia, and iraq
yes, but the vast majority of Jews gave up on Israel and moved to the Roman Empire, the Greek empire, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Kurdistan, Spain, Egypt, etc. they gave up on israel and chose to live elsewhere, thereby destroying the myth that they are all "exiled".
Not all of the Jews were expelled. There were some Jews that were expelled from the Land of Israel, and all the rest that lived there among those who were expelled continued to live there as Crypto-Jews.
LOL!!!! why do you keep repeathig this silly fantasy claim? there is not one single honest historian who believes even 10% of Palestinians are crypto-Jews. its all a joke, bro.
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