Activists Protest ‘Conversion Therapy’ Conference In San Diego

So? A lot of straight people don't reproduce period and many by choice.

 

Therapy is not what this is. It's religious hysterics and is unscientific to boot.

It's a fraud.

 

I certainly agree with you that every current method out there is. Well maybe not so much fraud as that implied an intent to deceive. And, scam artists aside, most people wanting this truely believe it is possible. You can be wrong without trying to deceive, even in just willfully ignoring current science.

However your argument does nothing to counter mine that there indeed people who do not want to be gay and would love to have a conversation therapy or other procedure to change their sexual orientation. Hell there are transgenders out there who would love to match the mind to the body instead of what we currently have of changing the body to match the mind. Just because they want to change does not mean they are wrong in that desire.

 

If it's the behaviour that troubles the individual, then the ceasing of said behaviour is going to be a 'win' for that person. Just like the gambler who ceases gambling. He's still addicted - that isn't in question - but he's not destroying lives by indulging.

 

It's not the behavior they want stopped, it's the attractions. Whether or not they can resist the attraction is a different thing from having the attractions.

 

How can you possibly know that about any individual (my bold)?

I have personally spoken to a number of gay men who were content with cessation of the behaviour. It was the behaviour which caused them the most grief, not the urges. The urges can always be managed, redirected, ignored, etc.

 

As much as you know what you do about the sub group. If you think I was making this claim for all gays, I'm sorry, not my intent. Are you trying to deny that there are gays who want the urges and attractions to end?

 

Not sure how that makes it biologically wrong. Well anymore biologically wrong then sexual intercourse between two people of the opposite sex that don't reproduce.

 

because you Desiring something that you can never have is agony.

I have personally spoken to Bigfoot and he says giraffes don't exist.

Your claims about these people you talk to are irrelevant

that's some bizarre mental gymnastics. Desires inform Behavior the behavior wouldn't exist if the desires weren't there the only reason for the behavior is the desire.

why would they need to be managed redirected or ignored if those aren't the problem.

You painted yourself into a corner. I don't believe you talk to any gay people I don't believe they told you that absurd crap that you said they did and you don't believe it either because you said that right after saying the urges aren't relevant that they have to be redirected or ignored.

If you had any credibility left it is gone that after this post.

 

I have heard that person say;

Some of my best freinds are Gay !

Some people experiment and Dabble and decide they do not like it, those are heterosexuals.

 

My thoughts on the door if you don't have the desire you likely aren't gay if you do you likey are gay or bi

 

Sure. Here's the test: Find a gay person who doesn't wish s/he could be a happy, well-adjusted straight person and have a simpler, less stressful life. Let me know if you find any.

 

And you know because you were once gay, right?

 

sounds like a mental disorder you describe much like those who smoke cigarettes and can't quit. Once a choice becomes part of your lifestyle, it is quite common to believe that is how you are, who you are, and you lose sight of the choice that was initially made.

When you first had sex with a same-sex partner, that was a choice that you made.

 

You are conflating things that are not connected. Actions and behaviors are indeed choices. That goes for both heterosexual and homosexual sexual activity. The choice to engage in one or the other physical activity does not determine one's sexual orientation. There are many reasons why one would engage in sex with a partner opposite of what they are attracted to. Your attractions are not determined by choices. There is a difference between what you are attracted to and your choice to act or not act upon that attraction.

 

I'm straight and happily married. But I made it my business to research the subject. I didn't want to sound stupid.

 

for you it may be. But just because you can't cope doesn't mean everyone else can't.

that is poor understanding. People are not attracted to cigarettes it is not something we naturally do. Homosexuality does also mean the attraction to the same sex.

so what?

 

So you know this how ?
because you are Gay ?

Because how else would you know what it feels like to be Gay ?

Or what it feels like to be a Woman ?

You as a Man, try and convince a Woman that being a Woman is a choice, that if She dresses like a Man, and acts like a Man, She will be a Man since being a Woman is a nothing but a choice, see how stupid that sounds ?

 

I honestly think he's ex-gay.

 

one is born male or female

one is not born wanting some gay-sex. If you disagree, please provide the test that can be performed upon a baby at birth to determine what type of sexual relations the child will have

 

he didn't argue that.

no one is born wanting sex at all that doesn't occur until your adolescence.

the fact that people attracted to one sex or the other would inform their actions.

 

awesome, then you agree that one is not born wanting some gay sex or to dress up as the opposite sex(homosexual/transgender) and it is a choice with respect to how they have sex.

Given that it's no different than smoking or being a drug abuser, there is no need for govt involvement

 

we've talked about this before.

so being a heterosexual it's no different than being a drug abuser? Oooooookaaaaaaay. I think of it differently, but you think how you wish.

 

So if that is the case, why do you care what such a small minority as LGBT does that affects you in no significant way ?

 

Not true in all cases, at age 9 I already was sexually attracted to people.